>>None of my breeders are self caught. I like your thought about a call to locality photos. And Terry Cox, John Meltzer and a few others on this forum could definitely contribute. They are first-hand witnesses to where these snakes live and how they act and look.
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I wish I could contribute to this conversation, more, but I've been pressed for time lately, and have only logged on about once a week. When you post on fox snakes again, shoot me an email, so i can get involved

I don't keep any fox snakes, but do study them in the wild when I get the chance. I'll be heading to the Western U.P. this month, asamof. Easterns are protected in Michigan, and I have too many other snakes to keep Westerns either. I work a lot with corn/GP rats and a few kings, as well as a few Asians still, but have changed stock a lot over the last couple years. Really nice Mandarin, btw, and growing faster than my Sichuans, haha.

There are some differences bt. Western and Eastern fox snakes, but are very difficult to tell, especially by the unexperienced. You've mentioned most of them. In general, Westerns tend to be duller, more like a Western snake....

But, I have seen a couple Westerns that were as bright or more so than any Eastern I've seen. One two yrs ago in the U.P. was just gorgeous, and you would have sworn was an Eastern with it's bright orange head and light tan body, but unfortunately, it had just been hit by a car.

Gotta run. Take care....TC.
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