>>Oh, I totally agree with the both of you about hybridizing but since the Tangerine Honduran and the Nelson's are both Milk Snakes, namely Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis for the Honduran, and Lampropeltus triangulum nelsoni for the Nelson's my question to Terry initially was if there would be any problem physically



You're persistent! no, just to answer your literal question, i don't think there'd be any problem physically if they're roughly the same size and/or you watch them closely while they're together. Different species and subspecies have different shaped hemipenes but i don't think there'd be anything between these two ssp that would preclude their breeding, other than good judgement.



in breeding a Tangerine Honduran 50% het for Albino to an Albino Nelson as a test breeding to test the Honduran for the actual presence of the Albino gene. I was asking this because I have two Tangerine Hypos 50% het for Albino and there is not really a way that I know about to find out if either one of them actually is het for albino except by test breeding (unless both of the Tangerine Hypos are actually het for Albino and I would breed them to each other). For me personally the most economical way to test breed for the Albino gene would be with a Nelson's Albino for $100 versus an Albino Tangerine Honduran for probably about $700.



not so: you could get a tricolor albino for $200 or less and then you'd be testing without hybridizing AND all the resulting babies would still be pure hondurans. whether they're tricolor or tangerine is irrelevant to testing to see whether or not they are het/albino.



>>On a side note, where does the HYBINO fit into the discussion about hybridization, since there are obviously no HYBINO's in the wild? I may be wrong, but didn't the Tangerine Honduran get it's Albino gene from the Tri Color Hondurans initially and that cross was later outbred?

>>Maybe we could expand on that a little?



to clarify what sounds like a little misunderstanding, tricolor hondurans and tangerine hondurans are all hondurans, they're just different color phases...neither is a recessive trait, they're just endpoints on a continuum, sort of like dark-skinned and light-skinned people or German Shepards of two different colors. Yes, the first amel hondurans were tricolors, but it's no sort of hybridizing or cross to transfer that trait to tangerines, you just breed to tangerines and then again until you get good tangerines. It's no different than, for example, if the first amels had been hondurans with high triad counts, and someone eventually selectively bred from those to produce some with low triad counts--there's no cross involved.



peace

terry

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>>Thanks,

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>>Rob.

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