I believe your larger boxie is a hybrid having traits from the Gulf Coast with it's extreme size and extremely large flat area on it's dome. It appears to also have some flaring on the posterior end; all of which are strong traits of Gulf Coast Boxies. The pattern and coloration is that of an Ornate.

Yet if you compare the intensity of it's radiating lines even next to your other Ornate, they appear somewhat dilute. Most Ornates like your smaller Ornate have domes more round, typical of Ornata. If the larger one was pure Ornate it's dome should be higher and rounder in proportion to it's size. The larger one also has a strong dorsal keel which is a trait again of the subspecies T. c.Major ( Gulf Coast).

Typical identification of Ornata is that the rear of the carapace is neither serrated nor flared. Just explaining my opinion. A lot of breeders intentionally hybridize their boxies; although I am not a proponent of this practice.



Just for comparison you might try and post your pics on the forum above this one..."What type of Turtle is this?"

In either case, they are both very, nice boxies.

Ric

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