It’s always interesting to see how different people approach differing opinions. Usually before I engage in a “discussion” I like to know who’s on the other side of the discussion. Name only, rank and serial number not so important.



I am guilty of writing a message that is not as clear as I intended – I meant to only toss in a couple of pennies. However, now that a dewlap has flared, I must at least attempt to defend what I tried to say.



“this method works great for cnemidophorus. they are up and active and eating within 10 minutes of being "completely" out. do they feel pain, hard to say, but doubtful. cold is a general neurosupressor.”



The “do they feel pain” portion of the above quote was in reference to feeling pain during the surgery, while under hypothermic anesthesia. I was not questioning whether or not they feel pain, in general, while conscious.



“I agree the DEA makes you fill out forms but thats only for higher controlled substances.”



This entire discussion was based on gathering information and opinion on what people on this forum do about euthanasia. I sincerely doubt that the DEA is going to issue permits to anyone who wants narcotics (no matter which schedule they are listed on) to knock down their snake -- hence my “cumbersome” comment. It’s not about whether you have to fill out forms, it’s about whether you can get the permit to purchase the narcotics. I have to obtain a DEA permit to use pentobarbital, phenobarbital, morphine, and testosterone. These are all controlled substances.



If someone is at an institution that allows the use of these substances for euthanasia, then they have several options. Veterinarians have these options and can offer advice. But for the hobbyist who is not associated with an institution and cannot afford to pay for the vet office call and the narcotics, it is at least worth hearing that there may be other options to consider – hence the discussion.



Matt

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