hi roly,



no need for an apology. i just wanted to clarify what i was trying to say in my hastily typed contribution. this is an important and volatile issue, and i should have taken proper care in explaining my points. (dewlaps retracted)



i study sex behavior in lizards (and tortoises). in experiments where we need to manipulate steroid levels, i perform gonadectomies on the lizards. i've worked with Sceloporus, Anolis, and Cnemidophorus, and have found a higher survival rate using ice emersion than several different injectables. though we don't know for sure, the complete lack of spinal reflex suggests to us that pain is not an issue during the procedure.



matt

[ Hide Replies ]

• Reptile euthanasia, what is humane? - DeanAlessandrini, Wed Aug 31 09:27:53 2005
• RE: Reptile euthanasia, what is humane? - johnfroton, Wed Aug 31 11:48:07 2005
• RE: Reptile euthanasia, what is humane? - shadindigo, Wed Aug 31 12:31:43 2005
• OBTW. what prompts the question? N/P - shadindigo, Wed Aug 31 13:03:59 2005
• RE: OBTW. what prompts the question? N/P - DeanAlessandrini, Wed Aug 31 14:04:50 2005
• interesting link - DeanAlessandrini, Wed Aug 31 14:09:52 2005
• RE: OBTW. what prompts the question? N/P - epidemic, Wed Aug 31 15:51:18 2005
• RE: OBTW. what prompts the question? N/P - shadindigo, Wed Aug 31 17:56:50 2005
• Interesting thoughts require deeper probing - johnfroton, Wed Aug 31 18:44:31 2005
• RE: OBTW. what prompts the question? N/P - gila7150, Wed Aug 31 19:17:43 2005
• RE: Reptile euthanasia, what is humane? - Carmichael, Wed Aug 31 19:28:32 2005
• RE: Reptile euthanasia, what is humane? - hurricane34, Wed Aug 31 19:48:20 2005
• RE: Reptile euthanasia, what is humane? - johnfroton, Wed Aug 31 20:17:07 2005
• Severing the head from the body.... - Mike Meade, Wed Aug 31 23:54:38 2005
• RE: Reptile euthanasia, what is humane? - mrand, Thu Sep 1 02:00:45 2005
• Why freezing is inhumane... long but informative - joeysgreen, Thu Sep 1 05:28:14 2005
• RE: Interesting thoughts require deeper probing - epidemic, Thu Sep 1 09:10:32 2005
• RE: Interesting thoughts require deeper probing - johnfroton, Thu Sep 1 09:45:18 2005
• RE: Interesting thoughts require deeper probing - joeysgreen, Thu Sep 1 10:01:10 2005
• RE: Reptile euthanasia, LINKS - nazza, Thu Sep 1 14:21:06 2005
• and so the most likely humane approach immerges - johnfroton, Thu Sep 1 19:18:24 2005
• RE: Reptile euthanasia, what is humane? - hurricane34, Thu Sep 1 19:52:49 2005
• RE: OBTW. what prompts the question? N/P - BobS, Thu Sep 1 20:30:27 2005
• RE: and so the most likely humane approach immerges - BobS, Thu Sep 1 20:45:02 2005
• Reptiles are .. - dryguy, Thu Sep 1 21:29:31 2005
• RE: and so the most likely humane approach immerges - joeysgreen, Fri Sep 2 06:49:11 2005
• RE: Reptile euthanasia, what is humane? - mrand, Fri Sep 2 12:08:26 2005
• RE: Severing the head from the body.... - minicopilot, Fri Sep 2 16:46:28 2005
• RE: Reptile euthanasia, what is humane? - hurricane34, Fri Sep 2 21:55:43 2005
• As far as cost goes... - joeysgreen, Fri Sep 2 22:52:43 2005
• RE: Severing the head from the body.... - Drosera, Fri Sep 2 22:58:37 2005
• RE: Reptile euthanasia, what is humane? - mrand, Sat Sep 3 10:55:36 2005
• RE: Reptile euthanasia, what is humane? - joeysgreen, Sat Sep 3 23:43:02 2005
• RE: Reptile euthanasia, what is humane? OT - mrand, Sun Sep 4 16:55:40 2005
• That's awesome... - joeysgreen, Mon Sep 5 15:45:24 2005
• how do you diagnose death if heart's beating? - Rtdunham, Tue Sep 6 07:22:09 2005
• mammals react differently - Rtdunham, Tue Sep 6 07:32:04 2005
• RE: how do you diagnose death if heart's beating? - joeysgreen, Tue Sep 6 19:05:29 2005
• herps don't shiver but they... - joeysgreen, Tue Sep 6 19:10:08 2005