return to main index

  mobile - desktop
follow us on facebook follow us on twitter follow us on YouTube link to us on LinkedIn
International Reptile Conservation Foundation  
Click to visit Raging Rodents
Locate a business by name: click to list your business
search the classifieds. buy an account
events by zip code list an event
Search the forums             Search in:
News & Events: Kingsnake returns to Tinley . . . . . . . . . .  kingsnake.com joins Monitor Brains! . . . . . . . . . .  Sneak Peek . . . . . . . . . .  Amphibian gut bacteria showing promise in cancer research . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day . . . . . . . . . .  Meet The Baroness - The world's longest snake . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day . . . . . . . . . .  Updates? . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day . . . . . . . . . .  The mechanics behind the viper strike . . . . . . . . . .  Snakes on a Train? . . . . . . . . . .  Tracking the animals in the Florida Everglades - Meet the Croc Docs . . . . . . . . . .  Reintroduction attempts give San Francisco Garter a second chance . . . . . . . . . .  Promoting Reptiles is Our Jam Man . . . . . . . . . .  Origins of Chytrid discovered . . . . . . . . . .  Wisdom Wednesday - The Forums - The water is warm... Come on in! . . . . . . . . . .  Kingsnake.com Past, Present and Future . . . . . . . . . .  IHS Celebrates 50 years . . . . . . . . . .  End of January 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Fun Fact Friday - Green Tree Monitor . . . . . . . . . .  The Evolution of the Osteoderm discovered . . . . . . . . . .  PACNWRS Expo Jan 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Diamondback discovered in new Texas county for first time . . . . . . . . . .  Expo Setup . . . . . . . . . .  Reptiles greater than Golden Globes . . . . . . . . . .  Meander Monday . . . . . . . . . .  Update: Release mobile friendly!! . . . . . . . . . .  Reptile Super Show Pomona California . . . . . . . . . .  Kingsnake.com at Pomona Reptile Super Show . . . . . . . . . .  Colorado Herp Society Meeting - Mar 21, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Bay Area Herpetological Society Meeting - Mar 27, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  DFW Herp Society Meeting - Mar 28, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Tucson Herpetological Society Meeting - Mar 30, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Greater Cincinnati Herp Society Meeting - Apr 01, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  PACNWRS - Apr. 18-19, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Colorado Herp Society Meeting - Apr 18, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Chicago Herpetological Society Meeting - Apr 19, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  Bay Area Herpetological Society Meeting - Apr 24, 2026 . . . . . . . . . .  DFW Herp Society Meeting - April 25, 2026 . . . . . . . . . . 

RE: Doug T...A.K.A. Alan Greenspan of Indigos speaks...

[ Login ] [ User Prefs ] [ Search Forums ] [ Back to Main Page ] [ Back to Indigo Forum ]

Posted by: Carmichael at Sat Sep 3 20:24:16 2005   [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by Carmichael ]  
   

First, HELLO STEVE, great to see hear from you. I find myself in agreement with both of you. There was a time when I felt guilty about selling an indigo to a friend for $350!....but as Steve mentioned, compared to ball pythons, how can we sell indigos, the ultimate snake and only sporadically available, to be sold so inexpensively. Even $1k seems like a steal to work with such an amazing animal. Working with cobras, indigos are right there in their level of "intelligence" (I know, I need to be careful in how I use that term); I can't imagine ever not being seriously involved in their conservation, husbandry and breeding; they bring an incredible amount of satisfaction to me.



My prices are GOING WAY UP next year (of course, if I get babies; Lord willing)....at least to $750 for blacks and perhaps a bit more for reds. I typically only breed one or two females each year in order to keep the rest of my females in tip, top shape. Most of my hatchlings are donated to zoos/museums/nature centers so I need to charge a price for the private sector that will help me cover my HIGH costs of maintaining them (I still lose money in the end). If someone truly wants one, they'll spend a little extra. If they have a problem with that, they can buy a black milk, a black king, a black racer or a black something or other. Indigos deserve the same level of care, respect and dedication as a dog, they live far longer than a dog, and will bring just as much enjoyment as a dog but for many years longer.



Rob Carmichael, Curator

The Wildlife Discovery Center

Lake Forest, IL



>>I think you could have asked $1000 each this year and found enough buyers to sell off your stock.

>>

>>We'll see what the short term effects of the Disaster in the Gulf states are in how they affect fuel prices, and indirectly the personal dispensable income that is the life blood of our hobby.

>>

>>In the past 10 years, Eastern Indigo prices have remained relatively level. If inflation is added to the equation, they have actually slowly dropped in value for the past 10 years. I think next year is going to be a year of correction with average prices probably doubling the price of the "low-end" breeder prices. $800-$1000 is the number I expect to see.

>>

>>The number of breeders is not increasing it seems, while demand is definately increasing.

>>

>>I also think that the few offspring produced of the other drymarchon species will keep their prices up for some years to come.

>>

>>The species that are legally imported will drop in price much more quickly while sub's whose stock is artificially limited by exportation bans will show the longest stability.

>>

>>Personally, I won't have any indigo babies next year to sell, so the business side of my hobby will take a short term hit.

>>

>>MOST IMPORTANTLY: Those who work with all drymarchon will have 5 times the enjoyment than those working with oddball BP morphs at just 1/5 the price.

>>

>>This concludes the statement.

>>

>>Doug T
-----
Rob Carmichael, Curator

The Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm

Lake Forest, IL


   

[ Show Entire Thread ]


>> Next Message:  RE: Doug T...A.K.A. Dalai Llama ... - stevebinnig, Sat Sep 3 21:18:11 2005
>> Next Message:  My two cents...Not Greenspan.....more like Independent News.. - Fred Albury, Tue Sep 6 16:00:10 2005

<< Previous Message:  Doug T...A.K.A. Alan Greenspan of Indigos speaks... - Doug T, Sat Sep 3 13:11:44 2005

Click here for Dragon Serpents Click here to visit Classifieds Click to visit Classifieds
KINGSNAKE.COM

Enjoy all our content free of charge with a user account that gives you full access to every feature. For added visibility, paid options are available - post in our Classifieds, showcase your business with Banner Ads or a Directory listing, promote reptile events, and more.

Quick Links
Community
Legal & Safety
Support

Register for free ✓ Sign up!

Kingsnake.com ® is a registered trademark © 1997-