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Posted by: rhallman at Sat Sep 3 20:13:23 2005 [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by rhallman ]

This is a good point. Most of the Red-Spotteds I have seen (in captivity or in photographs) have lacked the lateral stripe as you mention. Everything I have read about the subspecies however states the lateral stripe may or may not be obscured by black. Supposedly the Valley Garters (fitchi) do not have red heads and these snakes clearly do. These pics also show a lighter ventral surface which would be a bit more consistent with descriptions of fitchi but the one pic does show more black on the ventrals than a Valley Garter supposedly would have. One of my Red-Spotteds does have some lateral striping and a darker ventral surface.
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Randy Hallman

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Oregon Red Spot, or Red Sided? *pics* - Kestrel, Sat Sep 3 13:49:34 2005

RE: Oregon Red Spot, or Red Sided? *pics* - TomDickinson, Sat Sep 3 16:39:39 2005

RE: Oregon Red Spot, or Red Sided? *pics* - rhallman, Sat Sep 3 17:41:42 2005

RE: Oregon Red Spot, or Red Sided? *pics* - ejhoene, Sat Sep 3 18:20:59 2005

RE: Oregon Red Spot, or Red Sided? *pics* - rhallman, Sat Sep 3 20:13:23 2005

RE: Oregon Red Spot, or Red Sided? *pics* - ssssnakeluver, Mon Sep 5 11:45:47 2005

RE: Oregon Red Spot, or Red Sided? *pics* - rhallman, Tue Sep 6 11:41:46 2005

RE: Oregon Red Spot, or Red Sided? *pics* - b1eagar, Tue Sep 6 16:27:08 2005

RE: Oregon Red Spot, or Red Sided? *pics* - ssssnakeluver, Tue Sep 6 16:30:08 2005

Beautiful.. - Steve_Craig, Sun Sep 4 08:49:28 2005

RE: Beautiful.. - HotRodHerps, Mon Sep 5 21:07:13 2005

not exactly - rhallman, Mon Sep 5 21:52:07 2005

Beautiful pictures! - b1eagar, Wed Sep 7 10:47:02 2005

Here is a Valley Garter from the Gorge. - b1eagar, Wed Sep 7 10:54:03 2005

RE: Here is a Valley Garter from the Gorge. - rhallman, Thu Sep 8 11:17:18 2005

RE: Here is a Valley Garter from the Gorge. - b1eagar, Fri Sep 9 01:06:48 2005

RE: Here is a Valley Garter from the Gorge. - rhallman, Fri Sep 9 08:38:08 2005

RE: Here is a Valley Garter from the Gorge. - peterA, Sun Sep 11 07:16:22 2005

RE: Here is a Valley Garter from the Gorge. - peterA, Sun Sep 11 07:19:59 2005

RE: Here is a Valley Garter from the Gorge. - b1eagar, Tue Sep 13 02:03:38 2005

RE: Here is a Valley Garter from the Gorge. - electrokate, Wed Nov 16 17:02:17 2005

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