Hey, Wow! This section of the forum had no postings whatsoever. All I go & do is send out a little "benign" feeler and it turns out to be this big "hot topic." Well that's cool. That's why I came here. I just got tired of asking so called herpers about vivaria and what I had in mind only to come up empty handed. Everyone just says to keep it simple, blah blah, put in some aspen shavings, a couple of hide boxes--one on either end of the setup--a water bowl and call it a day. It sounds a lot more like keeping gerbils to me. Eventually--as Deven knows--I want to get all of my critters into something closer to "home," not only because it's better for them, but because they'll be more interesting to watch. The last thing I want to do is harm them through lack of knowledge (plenty of that on my end) and healthy (or unhealthy if you will) applications of ignorance. I do know, however, that I want to take this snake and spider keeping thing beyond the livingroom (and kitchen), and even though this may be a project much larger than I had anticipated, I know it is one that will be more than worth the effort. I do appreciate you both for your comments and bickerings. This sure does beat reality TV. Rose

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