First, your discussing building a double decker jumbo jet, with new areodymanic and propulsion technologies. while most here are trying and failing to build a model of the wright brothers plane. The principles may be the same, but the ability to absorb them and use them are not.

The reality is, learn to crawl, then walk, then run, then fly. There is an order, very few can skip parts of this order.

I had a falling out with Jeff Barringer over the progress of these forums, he wanted to and did divide up an already slow forum in divisions of species, when I wanted to divide them up by experience levels. For instance, beginer keepers, advanced keepers and theoretical possibilities of varanid principles. He won out and no advancement has taken place.

About your discussions, I am left handed and do not see real things as words(how obvious is that?) I see them as pictures and scenes. How about showing us pics that express your thoughts. Or don't you keep monitors and all this is only words? A point I make many times over. Keeping monitors is not words, its results. Words can never be right or wrong, they can only be mouthed and then disappear. Results are real and here to see, feel, and observe. This is a keepers forum, just read up above on monitor home page. Not a theoretical forum. While theory is fine, its only value is when it proves to not be theory. Unfortunately, the ones who spout theory, do so because they have no intention of turning theory into reality. Again, because keeping monitors is a reality, you have to start with little steps.

You seem to want to verballing spar, or swordfigh. Which is great, what what good is it? other then fun for us. Does it help those with problems? I think you should consider that question. Most skip right over our conversations, they cannot relate. We are still discussing a new fuel for our propulsion system, and they are wondering if it will take over one horsepower to get there crate off the ground.

Back to you, you are stirring the pot, which is good because it brings part of the stew to the surface for keepers to see. But in your case, do they know or understand what they are seeing? Heck, half the time I don't have the foggyist idea what your getting at. So if your right or wrong, it does not matter, If I cannot understand it. Back your dang self up and speak a little S L O W E R. Results, we all can understand. It(results) are not all emcompassing, They (results) are just easy to understand. And emulate. Understanding can and will come later. But at least it will be on something real.

The biggist problem with newbies and academics is being forgetful, they forget monitors are reptiles and as such are ectotherms. If they would remind themselves of that, each and every minute, they would open to window to understanding and advancement, in their keeping. I am a reptile, I depend on enviornmental conditions to achieve my daily activities. I am a reptile, I invented the amniote egg and allowed life to leave watery confines. I am a reptile, I am an ectotherm. I am a reptile, I have behaviors somewhere between the fish before me and the birds after me, I have behavior. I am a reptile, I live, I do, I participate in life. I experience life events. I am a reptile.

Funny how academics know reptiles advanced the egg, but forgot about where they put eggs(nests) I think the problems are far more basic then your wordy sentences. Cheers FR

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