Barry, I commend you greatly on trying to hash this situation out, but there is a problem; " at least in my mind. " I made reference, to this before. Sao Paulo, " Brazil " is not at a high elevation, it is right on the coast in fact and is also the largest populated city in the entire country of Brazil.The area, that is considered the city, was tropical rain forest and then when you go west, it goes into scrubs and savannahs.That is why, I said; " Were they really found in Sao Paulo? Were did Lloyd " who I highly respect " find the original adults, in a garbage can? I do believe that, darker Boas can often time be from higher elevations and or cooler regions, but if the truth be REALLLY, REALLY known, there is probably so much mislabeled stuff out there, it is not even funny and I believe that some of the confusion, very well could have started with some of the old pioneers, " telling little white lies. " Maybe I am completely off base, but lets be for real! Could they have came from Sao Paolo, yes. Were they from Sao Paolo in all actuallity, Hmmm I wonder? Maybe they were found in, Londrina Sorocaba or Bauru or Campinas or Curitiba? If that was the real case " meaning all of these little towns, surround Sao Paolo " then Holy Mackeral!, they have been mislabeled even in their locality status as well as there subspecification status. Am I completely nuts, or do you guys see were I am trying to go with this? Anyway, good luck Barry with your beautiful " South American Boa Constrictors. "...........Johnson Herp

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