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Posted by: garsik at Wed Nov 2 20:14:22 2005 [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by garsik ]

Thank you for the responses.

The consensus would seem to be that without a prior tendency to vibrate the tail, the rattle would not evolve.

Now I am interested in the Dr. Fry perspective. The original thought would be:

1 vibrate tail (equals nasty bite)

2 venom

3 rattle

New school (according to Dr. Fry) would be:

1 venom (which has evolved away in some species)

2 vibrate tail (which many species still do)

3 rattle

Which came first, the venom or the warning?

PS I respect Dr. Fry but his reseach motivates the question.

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Which came first? - garsik, Tue Nov 1 22:24:05 2005

RE: Which came first? - psilocybe, Wed Nov 2 01:08:11 2005

RE: Which came first? - hefte, Wed Nov 2 02:40:50 2005

RE: Which came first? - texasreptiles, Wed Nov 2 06:27:46 2005

RE: Which came first? - BigSur08, Wed Nov 2 06:49:42 2005

It's not mimicry, but... - Matt Harris, Wed Nov 2 07:18:36 2005

RE: It's not mimicry, but... - bps516, Wed Nov 2 14:21:37 2005

RE: Which came first? - LarryF, Wed Nov 2 15:15:38 2005

RE: Which came first? - reptilesrock, Wed Nov 2 19:53:40 2005

RE: Which came first? - garsik, Wed Nov 2 20:14:22 2005

RE: Which came first? - Physignathus, Wed Nov 2 21:29:14 2005

I agree. - Matt Harris, Wed Nov 2 21:34:12 2005

RE: Which came first? - texasreptiles, Thu Nov 3 06:52:51 2005

RE: I agree. - rick Gordon, Thu Nov 3 12:34:01 2005

RE: Which came first? - Jaykis, Thu Nov 3 16:00:31 2005

RE: Which came first? - guttersnacks, Thu Nov 3 20:08:55 2005

RE: Which came first? - texasreptiles, Thu Nov 3 20:59:08 2005

RE: Which came first? - KJUN, Fri Nov 4 05:40:55 2005

....Which came first... - regalringneck, Fri Nov 4 05:55:10 2005

RE: Which came first? - Doug T, Fri Nov 4 10:51:54 2005

RE: Which came first? - LarryF, Fri Nov 4 15:35:40 2005

RE: Which came first? - Texasreptiles, Fri Nov 4 15:58:23 2005

RE: Which came first? - UAWPrez, Fri Nov 4 17:08:37 2005

RE: Which came first? - Garsik, Fri Nov 4 19:35:43 2005

RE: Which came first? - Jaysonj, Fri Nov 4 21:35:55 2005

RE: Which came first? - Physignathus, Sat Nov 5 14:31:43 2005

RE: Which came first? - LarryF, Sun Nov 6 20:09:35 2005

RE: Which came first? - texasreptiles, Sun Nov 6 21:42:12 2005

RE: Which came first? - SalS, Sun Nov 6 22:11:59 2005

RE: Which came first? - Jaykis, Mon Nov 7 17:50:36 2005

RE: Which came first? - LarryF, Mon Nov 7 18:18:59 2005

I did not say...... - Physignathus, Mon Nov 7 22:00:03 2005

No, but I did.....lol - Jaykis, Tue Nov 8 10:40:15 2005

RE: I did not say...... - SalS, Tue Nov 8 11:55:25 2005

RE: I did not say...... - Jaykis, Wed Nov 9 11:49:42 2005

Yea, what I was saying was... - guttersnacks, Wed Nov 9 11:56:02 2005

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