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The 'Colombian' Boa, Bci / Bcc thing explained

herpconsultants2 Sep 17, 2003 07:52 AM

A couple of posts down, someone asked a question regarding Colombian Boas. Now time and time again I see the same confusion here so I though I'd put in my 2c (or 2p in my case!).

Colombia is a large country. It is one of the world's hotspots for plant and animal diversity, and has a wide variety of habitats. Two major habitats dominate Colombia, the upland area of the Andes, and the lowland area of Amazonia and the Llanos. Now as anyone who understands speciation knows, such differing habitats and physical barriers often lead to the 'creation' of new subspecies and species. Or at least, the separation of species and subspecies.

In Colombia there are two subspecies of Boa Constrictor: imperator and constrictor. It may even be possible that longicauda reaches Colombia (will leave this one out here for now!). Imperator is the form found west of the Andes, in the Pacific region and in the northern Caribbean region. Constrictor is the eastern / lowland form, present in the Llanos (Orinoco) and Amazonian regions. There is of course some intergradtion between these two forms and both have been found in the areas outside of their usual limits.

According to Perez-Santos & Moreno (1988, Ofidios de Colombia) the two subspecies can be separated by:

61-79 rows at midbody, 225-252 ventrals, 22-30 dorsal 'blotches' = imperator
75-95 rows at midbody, 227-250 ventrals, 15-20 dorsal 'blotches' = constrictor

The subspecies imperator ranges north towards (see map) Mexico, northeast to Venezuela, and south to Peru, and perhaps Bolivia. Constrictor ranges west to Ecuador, south to Peru and Bolivia, east to Brazil, Venezuela, Guyana, Surinam and French Guiana. Naturally, within such a large area, both subspecies display a huge degree of variation in both colouration, morphology, and meristics (scale counts). It is also VERY important to remember that even within a particular area, that this species is highly variable. The forms we now see in herpetoculture today, are a result of selective picking and breeding over many years. Breeders have selected for traits which THEY consider attractive, and indicative of that particular locale / population. For example, longer and highly contrasting red-tails, 'batwings,' pink colouration etc for a 'Surinam' boa. The resulting boa probably looks nothing like the average 'Surinam' boa.

Unfortunately species do not know any of our political boundaries, and tend to follow habitat / physical boundaries instead. Take the 'Brazilian' Rainbow boa for example. Epicrates c.cenchria is found all over the Amazon basin. An example that crosses over the border from Brazil to Colombia doesn't suddenly go from a stunning orange to a dull brown! Occasionally, species get described twice, by separate authors, and this furthers confusion. Look at Epicrates c. gaigeae for example. Amateurs would identify a rainbow boa from Peru as this subspecies. As a professional herpetologist I sincerely doubt the vailidity of this subspecies and foresee it's synonymy with cenchria in the near future (look at the synonymy of B.c. ortoni with B.c.c for example). Sure, it may look different than your average cenchria, but it's merely displaying the extreme end of a colouration cline. Rainbow specimens I have collected in Colombia for example look like an in-between cenchria and gaigeae for example. Do Surianm B.c.c's look particularly like those from Peru?

For many years boas have been imported from Colombia, although it's been a long time since they have left via the Amazonian region. Therefore, the majority of imports are all imperator. The common boa. The 'Colombian' Boa. This is not to say that Bcc does not occur in Colombia. That again is like saying all rainbows in Colombia are maurus! Few people in the US probably have pure B.c.c's from Colombia. Those that have probably keep it quiet! Over the last few decades the common boa has become what many may consider a mutt. B.c.i's and B.c.c's from Colombia have long since been interbred your average boa now in herpetoculture is a poor representative of either subspecies. Consequently, trying to 'key out' the Colombia boa you picked up at a show or form 99% of breeders is pointless.

I will make a brief note about the Leticia boa here. Recently a trend has started, probably driven by financial reasons, to sell a certain look of Boa constrictor as a 'Leticia' boa. Now not one of these Leticia's looks anything like a boa you'll ever see in Leticia and the name is clearly misleading. I have read various posts on this site how the Leticia boa is an integrade of B.c.c. and B.c.i., but I can assure you it is nothing of the sort. Leticia is deep within Amazonia (see map) and very close to Iquitos. I am sure nobody here that Iquitos boas were imperators? So why should the boas from Leticia be such? Many years ago many B.c.c's did leave Leticia. However, these were collected over a wide area, and not just from the vicinity of Leticia. But, the boas leaving via Leticia WERE B.c.c. Trade routes within Amazonia dictate that any B.c.i leaving Leticia would have been an unusual occurance (The majority of B.c.i's leaving Colombia come from the north (Cartagena / Barranquilla region).

Well, that's me done for now. I hope some of you find this post of some assitance. If anything, the map should make it easier for you to understand the distributions of the two Colombia boa subspecies. Let me know if you have any questions.

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Replies (17)

tvandeventer Sep 17, 2003 09:11 AM

Bravo!

The above is without a doubt the best overview of the situation concerning imperator vs. constrictor that I've read on the forums to date. Herpetologists have no problem with these concepts so why do hobbyist/breeders? I think two factors are at play here. Ivorytowerism and money.

Academic herpetologists have not, for the most part, accepted the pet-keeper/herpetocultural community as a legitmate entity.
They may view it as non-scientific, amateur, or frivolous, and rightly so in many cases. As a result there may be animosity towards these academic groups. Case in point: Amateur herpers often complain that range maps are inadequate or wrong and that the "professional" herpetologists think they know everything. This attitude doesn't help anything when on the other hand, we have a veritable army of private collectors out there who rarely or never pickle a DOR for a museum. If the two groups would work together, there would be more mutual respect and more date accumulated.

The money thing is obvious. Collectors want new morphs, color phases, localities, etc. I sell my Peruvian rainbow boas for a fairly steep price. While I personally don't believe that the subspecies "gaigei" is valid, what difference does it make to the private collector? A Lot! Three or four scale rows can mean literally hundreds of dollars. So I take advantage of it. Every rainbow boa I have is from Peru and I have solid proof of this. I sell them as Peruvian Rainbow Boas. The customer can call them what they like.

So my good friend (genuinely) Gus really took issue with what I said yesterday. I think I came on a little flamboyantly with the title of my reply about scale counts not meaning anything. But if you read on you will see that I state that scale counts are extremely important (everybody knows that!) but only when used in conjunction with other data When I said that "virtually" no collectors have specimens with exact collection data, I should have said "almost no colllectors..." or "very few collectors...". Of course I am aware that there are a few specimens out there that were collected by the owner or a researcher who brought it back. Those animals have exact collection data and will (or damn well should!) be deposited in a museum collection after death. I have them. Gus has them. So I appologize if anyone was offended but I stick with my contentions. Colombia has two races of Boa constrictor. And, scale counts alone cannot tell you where a snake is from or necessarily what subspecies it is, IF you don't have exact collection data. They will give you an an educated guess. When used in conjunction with other characteristics, scale counts often prove to be the most important character.

I hope my re-wording has been helpful. Cheers, Terry Vandeventer

Rainshadow Sep 17, 2003 10:00 AM

And,great input as well! thanks to you both for taking the time to clairify your points.

bengkulu Sep 17, 2003 02:52 PM

"According to Perez-Santos & Moreno (1988, Ofidios de Colombia) the two subspecies can be separated by:
61-79 rows at midbody, 225-252 ventrals, 22-30 dorsal 'blotches' = imperator
75-95 rows at midbody, 227-250 ventrals, 15-20 dorsal 'blotches' = constrictor"

So then, would you say it would be fair and accurate to say that any wild population of wild boas that consistently key out with midbody scale row counts of more than 79 rows can not be Boa constrictor imperator? According to Perez-Santos & Moreno this would seem to be the case..no?

herpconsultants2 Sep 17, 2003 09:20 PM

I don't really get your point to be honest. As a herpetologist scale counts are the basis for identification. Colouration is important but not hugely so.

These scale ranges are given as a guide. The work I qouted is old and to be honest not the most reliable available. But it is what I had to hand at the time. If you have any more info feel free to post it here.

I am trying to understand where you are coming from here. Do you doubt the vailidity of scale counts, or do you disagree that there are two forms of boas in Colombia? Let me know because it's late here and I'm lost!

markg Sep 17, 2003 05:04 PM

n/m
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Mark

sojourner Sep 17, 2003 07:51 PM

"61-79 rows at midbody, 225-252 ventrals, 22-30 dorsal 'blotches' = imperator
75-95 rows at midbody, 227-250 ventrals, 15-20 dorsal 'blotches' = constrictor"

All Colombian boas.... commons, pure localities, whatever... that come from Colombia, East OR West of the Andes, and are in private collections all over the world have more than 79 midbody scale rows, which makes them Bcc as per your data above.

I am not saying you're wrong. I just believe A LOT more research needs to be done, because our current info is inherently flawed and conflicting. Especially with Colombian Boas from the "Imperator" side of the Andes.

Jesse
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"Continuing to cling to the patterns you know, inhibits your ability to discover what you don't know." - Eric Allenbaugh

bengkulu Sep 17, 2003 08:26 PM

n/p

PBM Sep 17, 2003 09:51 PM

"61-79 rows at midbody, 225-252 ventrals, 22-30 dorsal 'blotches' = imperator
75-95 rows at midbody, 227-250 ventrals, 15-20 dorsal 'blotches' = constrictor"

Okay, basing your "exactly" reply to Sojourner, and both of you basing your replies on the above figures, here is my point.....

Sojourner says, ALL Colombian boas in captivity have more than 79 rows at midbody, based on what research, I have no idea, nor do you, but we'll go with that for now. So, you've proved a point by stating a number that is found within both sub-species as proof, but if you notice, he gave three factors for determining BCI from BCC. Are they accurate? Don't care honestly, but unless you factor in the other two determing factors on top of the 79 count then you've proven nothing. Basically to make my point simple....out of all those captive Colombians with 79 or more scales at mid body, how many have 15 dorsal blotches, and how many have 30? Lady bugs and Leopards both have spots. Lady bugs are also insects, and can fly(three points for proof of Lady Bug) Leopards, have spots, are large carnivores and have fur. So, if I say all Leopards in captivity have spots, does that prove they're Ladybugs??? You can't use one factor as solid proof is all I am saying. Technically, I couldn't care less because I personally believe there are VERY FEW people who actually KNOW what species/sub-species they truly work with. Take care!

Paul

bengkulu Sep 17, 2003 11:09 PM

"Don't care honestly, but unless you factor in the other two determing factors on top of the 79 count then you've proven nothing."

Nothing??
We just proved that imperator can have more than 79 scale rows.

herpconsultants2 Sep 17, 2003 11:40 PM

It undoubtedly can have more than 79 rows. Again, these are taken from a 1988 book and are meant as a guide ONLY!

bengkulu Sep 17, 2003 11:49 PM

Then obviously the classification of Bci needs to be re-worked to include the higher scale counts of those specimens from S. America. As it stands right now the taxonomic guidelines are WAY off.

herpconsultants2 Sep 18, 2003 07:33 AM

Can I ask how much researcg you have done on this subject? How many pieces of scientific literature have you actually looked at? I'm not talking about a copy of the Vivarium or my single reference I included in my post. On a subject like this I would expect to look at up to and over a thousand articles. How many have you looked at to make such sweeping statements. I am not denying there probbaly is a big gap in the literature but without actually soending a few weeks looking I am not prepared to say!

herpconsultants2 Sep 18, 2003 08:26 AM

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herpconsultants2 Sep 17, 2003 09:09 PM

I'm glad you don't doubt that I'm correct, because I am!

Just out of interest, on what basis do you know that ALL Colombian boas in the US have the scale count you mention? The figures I gave a meant as a guide only and come from one source. When I have time I'll look for further literature. With regards to research, of course plenty still needs to be done. But believe me, nothing is more clear cut than the presence of two subspecies of Boa constrictor in Colombia! The exact status of the majority of Colombians present in the US, like I said, is anyone's guess.

Jorge Horna Sep 17, 2003 09:45 PM

I can count them with my fingers, and you are one of them. I don't have the time to check the forums as I used to, but your post certainly is one of the best I've ever read.

Regards,

Jorge Horna.

albinoman Sep 17, 2003 09:57 PM

n/m

Sunherp Sep 17, 2003 11:25 PM

Truely great. I do lots of reading and little posting, but this deserves a thumbs up from the herp community.
-Cole

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