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You guys have GOT TO SEE this email I received today....lol

giantkeeper Oct 25, 2003 10:40 AM

I am gonna put a few *'s to make this legal for the forums....Tell me your thoughts on this

From Sabien9@hotmail.com

Dude Giantkeeper,

You have to take a reality pill quickly.

You’re a little skinny sh*t bag with 90% below average boas.
I have hypos that blow your so called best internet hypo away.

That hypo is 1 - dark as h*ll and is only a baby, and will brown out
in a year.

2. It is not clean.
3. Is by far not the best looking hypo on the net.

You’re so full of yourself, and you shouldn't be. I would never
buy from you because you think you’re bigger than life. The quality of
your animals are not up to par. GKR 2003 is stolen from Pete Kahl with his
business title being PKR. Be original!!! I have normal boas that smoke your high end
stuff.

Your Argentine Albino huh....if that is your best card to play then I would seriously
re-think your business.

Let me guess your facility is a spare bedroom. You don't have pictures of your setup on
your lame site. I use a spare bedroom and I do not call it a facility. Man you use words that
make you sound like Bob Clark or the Barkers. Look at your frontpage to your site. I don't
give a monkey's a*s on what cleaning products you use or the kind of bedding you use. Do
you think that makes you an established breeder by advertising the kind of sh*t you use.
PLEASE!!!!

Well anyway, I think you suck and wake the f*ck up you skinny little f*ck.

Later
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Replies (12)

PBM Oct 25, 2003 10:50 AM

lol

Brett Beiner Oct 25, 2003 10:52 AM

np

msmr5169 Oct 25, 2003 10:56 AM

you know he's the one who is full of [bleep] and thinks of himself too high to rite an email to you saying stuff like that if he doesent like your animals well then frankly hes got issues i think your animals are beutiful.

happy herping josh

Rainshadow Oct 25, 2003 11:01 AM

And,simply say..."So,are you going to buy the boa,or,what?" then just hit "Block Sender" *LOL* that REALLY pisses a 12 year old off man!

PFH Oct 25, 2003 11:15 AM

Chris,

I do not post here much at all but I see a very little
blunt point to what this person is saying. When you say
the best hypo on the net and if that is what you
believe than it is your right to say that the animal you
sold is the best. But people have the right to fire back
at you if their opinion of your animal is far from best.

I think that hypo is nice, but I would not prefer an animal
like that. I look for certain things when it comes to purchasing a hypo. This doesn't mean your snake is ugly, just not prefered by me. For the other jargon that is written about you, I don't agree with at all. I don't know you so I cannot draw an opinion. Some people really get steamed when they see someone say the best on the net, and these people may think their animals are the best.

Now for the lame website comment. I just looked at your site.

For a living I am a website consultant. I look at a website and give a professional mark-up on what needs to go and what needs to be added, and what can stay.

Most of the breeder websites that I have browsed through are unprofessional. We call it a swiss cheese site. It fades away from the point of business, trying to be too funny and personal, or not even business related, instead of the business aspect. Some sites are too long, not enough info, not enough pics of animals for sale, etc...

I won't name any site here buy you will see what I mean after this statement.

Always ask yourself this question. My website content in relation to my business....is it on track....and would I expect to see off topic content on a Microsoft Website, or Dell, or ebay.

Example: If your in the reptile business, do not have roller skating party photos anywhere a potential buyer can see it. Store this kind of material in a folder on your site where it cannot be linked to your reptile part of the website. Don't show the new tatoo you just got or a picture of a new couch you bought.

Hope this helps, and sorry for the long novel.

Take care,

Paul H.

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"With great power comes great responsibility!!!"

Rainshadow Oct 25, 2003 11:49 AM

To "fire back at him?"...uhhm,NO they don't! the guy is running an ad to sell an animal on the classifieds...any interested party has the "right" to respond with interest,PERIOD!...he does have the "right",however to have his ISP contacted,and,his conduct reported,but,as far as any "rights" to "fire back" with some juvinile insults based on his perception of the animal offered for sale,or,the individual seller...I'm afraid I'll have to respectfully disagree. condoning that type of behavior is the only thing that gives them the "right". report'em,and,block'em,and,take that assumed "right" away!

lexxxx300 Oct 25, 2003 01:36 PM

To me it sounded like harassment. It was totally uncalled for. He insulted everything about this guy and I think if possible this should be blocked. What does someone physical stature have to do with his animals? I think he is a kid. I really can't see an adult acting this juvenile at least I hope it was a kid.

Jeff Clark Oct 25, 2003 03:32 PM

Paul H,
. Why would I want my website to look like I wanted to do business like Dell or Microsoft of Ebay? Many of my friends have reptile websites some of them are business like and many of them are not. Many of us in this hobby/business are friends and we go to shows and visit each other's websites as much to have fun and keep up on the social things as to sell our animals. Reputations which are mostly spread by word of mouth in the reptile community are often all that we need to sell our animals. Good breeders do not need Dell or Microsoft style marketing to sell their animals.
Jeff

>>Chris,
>>
>>I do not post here much at all but I see a very little
>>blunt point to what this person is saying. When you say
>>the best hypo on the net and if that is what you
>>believe than it is your right to say that the animal you
>>sold is the best. But people have the right to fire back
>>at you if their opinion of your animal is far from best.
>>
>>I think that hypo is nice, but I would not prefer an animal
>>like that. I look for certain things when it comes to purchasing a hypo. This doesn't mean your snake is ugly, just not prefered by me. For the other jargon that is written about you, I don't agree with at all. I don't know you so I cannot draw an opinion. Some people really get steamed when they see someone say the best on the net, and these people may think their animals are the best.
>>
>>Now for the lame website comment. I just looked at your site.
>>
>>For a living I am a website consultant. I look at a website and give a professional mark-up on what needs to go and what needs to be added, and what can stay.
>>
>>Most of the breeder websites that I have browsed through are unprofessional. We call it a swiss cheese site. It fades away from the point of business, trying to be too funny and personal, or not even business related, instead of the business aspect. Some sites are too long, not enough info, not enough pics of animals for sale, etc...
>>
>>I won't name any site here buy you will see what I mean after this statement.
>>
>>Always ask yourself this question. My website content in relation to my business....is it on track....and would I expect to see off topic content on a Microsoft Website, or Dell, or ebay.
>>
>>Example: If your in the reptile business, do not have roller skating party photos anywhere a potential buyer can see it. Store this kind of material in a folder on your site where it cannot be linked to your reptile part of the website. Don't show the new tatoo you just got or a picture of a new couch you bought.
>>
>>Hope this helps, and sorry for the long novel.
>>
>>Take care,
>>
>>Paul H.
>>
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>>"With great power comes great responsibility!!!"

lexxxx300 Oct 25, 2003 11:35 AM

I just went to your site and it is a nice normal site. I mean it gets it point across. I think you have awesome animals and you displayed them well. I'm sure as time goes on you may or may not want to change the format but either way it's fine. I always say this. I know people take this super serious(and that is fine) but I think there is definitely a problem when people start putting animals in front of people. I mean he is entitled to his opinion but what's with the email. Why so much anger? He should just go out and enjoy life. Relax it aint that serious.

I've gotten emails from people that were totally unwarranted and I used to think, GOD if only I could meet this person on the street that would make me so happy. I think we all have got them but really for him to spend that much time he was obviously really bored or has a real anger problem. I kind of feel sorry for him becuase people probably don't want to be around him because he can't control his anger. Either way don't trip cause you DO have incredible animals IMO.

giantkeeper Oct 25, 2003 11:47 AM

I obviously did not need to be so arrogant as to post the BEST HYPO ON KINGSNAKE, but it was IN MY OPINION (IMO) which we all have our own opinions right?!?! I am not even bothered by the e-mail, which, apparently I have grown a little in the last few years, cause normally I would have been P*SSED....lol.

I do not mean to undermine anyones collection. There are plenty of collections and animals that blow ours away, I KNOW this. I HONESTLY represented this animal and will back it 1000%.

As far as the website, I took a $5 a month site with a preset format and changed the code to how I like it. I made the changes, I did not spend all kinds of money doing it. It suits me for NOW, I would love to make it better, just not right now.

Thanks for the feedback.

Chris
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dilwann Oct 25, 2003 01:06 PM

JUST KIDDING! I think this guy suffers from small man syndrome! 90% of your reptiles are crap HAAH! I bet 90% of his reptiles do not even exist! This is just another reason that KS needs to make people sign in before responding to a classified ad.

LindaH Oct 25, 2003 02:49 PM

Hey Chris! I got some emails a few months ago that were considerably worse. These were from a "known breeder" who is, at least in years, an adult. It was so bizarre that all I felt was shock at first....then amazement.....then amusement. Now, I just "consider the source".

If he/she took the subject line of your ad seriously, that's his/her problem. When I saw it, I thought it sounded catchy and humerous.......and it made ya look....which was the purpose after all !! Some people take "things" and themselves waaaay too seriously.

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