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I am new to the biz this year and went out on a limb and purchased a male PIN and Spider to start my breeding this year. They were both born in July. I was able to get both over the 500g mark and read on this site where these co-doms will breed early if you can get them over 500g. My boys have not locked up at all from what I can tell. Am I just wishing or should I give them more time. Both males are producing sperm plugs. I know the females are ready cause I through in my male blonde with one of the girls and he locked up in hours.

Any advise would be greatly appreciated.

Should I take my little boys out and continue to feed to get them bigger for later in the season?

Thanks,

Gary

500 is too small. get them to 800 and try again

However they will make better breeders at 800 grams. But I would say keep putting them in with females you know are getting ready to cycle and when the females are ready the males will do what they have to. I got several clutches off a male that was 420 grams last season and I even got a 12 egg clutch. Hope this helps. Thanks David

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25 Normal adult females
60 04 females
15 normal mixed 03's
20 Assorted weird ball pythons 04's
13 baby 2005 PASTELS just HATCHED...4-8-05 and 5-10-05 (O left)

I'm not sure if you missed it, but I addressed your post concerning these two over in the "Morphs and Genetics" subforum.

Basically, what it boils down to is this:
Age can (and does) play as big of a role in breeding as size (or weight).

Just because they are producing sperm doesn't mean they know what to do with it yet. Give them time. You might miss this breeding "season", but by the next one, your snakes should be a little more "prepared".

http://jaymartinreptiles.com/articles/male-breeding-weight.pdf
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Ryan Farris

>>http://jaymartinreptiles.com/articles/male-breeding-weight.pdf
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>>Ryan Farris

Great minds think alike
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Jay A. Martin
Jay Martin Reptiles

I have a couple of males in the 500 gram range that I decided to see if they were ready and neither went - but I did have one at 600 go this year - bred without any problems and his female was my first to ovulate - I have another 600 gram guy that still has no clue. Aside from just size and sperm production they have to be mature enough to go. Someone else on this board has been trying her het pied for two years and he won't breed. It's not always as easy as tossing two snakes in a cage together. There are things you can do to help stimulate them - spray them with water, put another male in with the pair or another males shed works too - you can also try to pop plugs from one male and put them on the female. But all this will be in vain if your guys are not ready.
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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

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There is no "magic weight" or "magic age" where a male will breed 100% of the time. I have heard of males breeding at 500g during their first winters but it is definitely not that common. Betterluck NEXT year.
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www.strictlyballs.ca

I have a male pastel that is only about 450 grams breeding all season.
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Allison Maynard

np

Dan,

Everyone is so quick to raise these males and try to bred them very young. Your problem may not be a weight issue but an age issue. Some males do breed at that weight and actually smaller. Others do not breed until they get older. This is more of a maturity issue. I have had males that breed this early and had litter mates that seemed to be terrified by the female and actually did not even breed for me until the 3rd year. Every animal is different. If these males are cowarding in the corner of the boxes then you need to be careful. you could mess them up and they will not be great breeders until they get older.

Mike