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I just took these photos and wanted to share them. We produced some Hypo and 100% Het. Hypo BRBs last season who have been growing like weeds! I figured it was about time to take some updated photos of them and these pictures came out pretty nice.

Let me know what you think...

Thanks,
Celia

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Celia Chien
www.ExoticsByNature.com

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Stunning Celia. You know I'm a little biased but I think these animals are gorgeous. They look like they're on fire. Talk about a snake that really glows. The interesting thing is that the first hypomels that were produced had a different coloration. They were much lighter and had much more yellow in them. The babies from the clutch I produced this year look very similar to yours. Here's a female that was born in Sept.

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Mike Lockwood
www.tooscaley.com

Mike,
....I have seen quite a few of the East Bay line of Hypos. When they are little they are colored like Celia's snake and as they grow they become lighter and more yellow. I believe that the change to the yellower color is caused by a lightening in the pigmentation of the skin and the addition of fat to the snake's body. Many albino snakes have strong pretty patterns when little and lose them as they grow due to the buildup of yellow fatty tissue which can be seen through the translucent light colored skin. Big chicken fat yellow albino Burms are the best, or should I say worst example of this. I think the lighteneing and yellowing of East Bay line Hypos as they age is due to the same phenomena but it occurs to a much lesser extent. Unlike many of the albino boids the Hypo BRBs are beautiful as adults.
....I am really happy with the het Hypos I got from Celia and Sean. I hate thinking of snakes as investments but I do think this morph will be a money make for at least the next several years. Do you know of any Hypo BRBs produced in 2005 by anyone other than you and Celia and Sean and Bob Seib?
....Congratulations on becoming a forum sponsor.
Jeff

>>Stunning Celia. You know I'm a little biased but I think these animals are gorgeous. They look like they're on fire. Talk about a snake that really glows. The interesting thing is that the first hypomels that were produced had a different coloration. They were much lighter and had much more yellow in them. The babies from the clutch I produced this year look very similar to yours. Here's a female that was born in Sept.
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>>Mike Lockwood
>>www.tooscaley.com

Jeff,

I agree with you about the fat-based pigments adding to the yellow color snakes. That could be what is happening with our hypos. You've got me thinking now that some of the animals that I've had that have gone through periods of regurgitation have really darkened up at times. maybe because of low fat reserves. Overall though, these newer animals are different. I suspect they will keep more of that orange as adults. We'll have to wait a year or so so see.

I don't think any other hypos were produced in 2005. There was that gentleman named Tim Frazure who posted a pic of his Hypo-like female who he tried to breed to a normal male. I don't know what came of that breeding. I contacted Tim about it and we could not determine whether our animals were related or not. Tim, if you read this, update us.

The vivarium may have produced some. I will talk with John sometime within the next few weeks and get back to you if you like.

The nice thing about Seib's animals is that they are the result of a hypo to an unrelated normal female. This is only the third distinct line of hets that I know of. The clutches that were born to EBN and to myself this year were from the first. The second is the result of a cross I did in 1993. I only have two animals from this clutch and they will be ready to breed next year. I have a history of this on my site if you'd like to read about it.

I know how you feel about investment snakes and "morph breeders" and so I really appreciate the kind words you've had for this line. They're expensive, no doubt. But they really are beautiful snakes. Also, I'm not sure if everyone understands what it has taken to get to this point. The first hypos were born in 1994. Here it is 12 years later and we are only seeing a handful of them. Time needed to be taken to outcross this line. If we breed them correctly, like Dave is about to do, we won't see a flood of hypos hit the market for a while. New het lines need to be produced first. Dave should have 4 distinct het lines in about 2008 and I have plans to produce 2-3 new lines next year. Brian Hummel may also have a new line next year. Even though the line started here with me in 1994, I won't be ready to do a healthy Hypo x Hypo cross for several years.

I'm glad you're happy with the animals you got from EBN. They will be very hardy for you and someday, they'll make excellent breeders (because, they come from the outcross that was done in 2001).

I'm happy to sponsor this forum with you. As long as I've been posting here there have never been any attacks or arguments or pettiness. Just sharing of good information.

Speaking of sharing, we don't have to turn this into a hypo-forum but if anyone else is working with these animals, please post your progress from time to time. I also encourage you to keep accurate records on parents and offspring. I've started to create pedigrees for my animals. As more and more het lines are produced, I'll look forward to trading for animals who are unrelated.

Whew, my fingers are tired

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Mike Lockwood
www.tooscaley.com

I just wanted to add to my point about different forms. These two animals are from the same clutch. Yet, they are distinctly different. I have a third animal from this clutch that is different from either of these two. It's in shed. I'll post pics later. the first is in lower light than the second, just so you can see the difference. Celia, are you noticing anything like this within your clutch?

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Mike Lockwood
www.tooscaley.com

...here is the fist pic of one of offspring from Tim Frasier in 05. She is from the yellowish female that I think you are refering to.

That's a nice purchase Linda. Potentially, a fourth heterozygous line. Keep us all posted on any breeding projects that she may become involved in.
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Mike Lockwood
www.tooscaley.com

WOW, I don't log on for a day and a half and y'all go on and on about one of my favorite subjects.

Very interesting concept about the fatty deposits. I'll have to watch that. I do believe the hypomelanism is only part of the equation for ultimate color. The other color genetics must come into play when determining the ultimate color. For example a red crossed with the hypo line would be different than an orange line crossed to the same hypo line. Just like we see different colors in our litters of normals, pretty much based on the parents colors, we should also see that in the hypo litters based on the colors they were outcrossed to. And just like we see babies of varying colors within individual litters of normals, I would suspect the hypo litters to be the same but to a lesser degree with the hypo influence.

Like Mike indicated I have big plans for creating several outcrossed lines. This dovetails nicely into my existing collection as I have acquired animals from many different sources. Right now I have animals from 7 separate sources and a pair coming from Jeff, my 8th source. Those along with the hypos I have from Mike and EBN should allow me to create lots of outcrossed lines.

Basic plan is to outcross the hypos creating hets in the process that can be crossed back to other unrelated hets.

My pair of hypo's from Mike labeled as "A"
My hypo and het for hypo from EBN labeled as "B"
My 8 lines labeled as "1" through "8"

For example, gen 1 = A1, B2, A3, B4, A5, B6, A7 and B8 (letters and numbers represent the parents) All hets

Gen 2 = AB12, AB34, AB56, AB78 (letters and numbers represent the grandparents)
1/4th hypos and 3/4th 66% hets

I'm hoping when I get to the AB12...AB78's they will be crossable hypo to hypo with no complications (beyond normal to normal breedings).

In the meantime I do plan on crossing Mikes with the EBN line as well.

Also, looking forward to working with the pattern differences crossed into the hypo's. The female I got from Mike has bullseyes! That crossed with my bullseye line will mean hypo/bullseye het babies. More crossing means some hypo/bullseye babies. I also have that screamer girl with no crescents at all, yet another possibility. Wow, so many possibilities!!

Pic time........

Female hypo from Mike (check out the crescents and bullseyes):

Male hypo from Mike:

Male Hypo from EBN:

Female Het from EBN:

Some of my various babies and individuals:







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Thanks,

Dave "Rainbows-R-Us"

0.1 Wife (WC)
0.2 kids (CBB)
4.12 Brazilian Rainbow Boa
2.1 Hypomelanistic BRB
0.1 Het for Hypomelanistic BRB
0.1 BCI "Elvira" normal from 1989
1.0 BCI albino / het-anery
0.1 BCI Hypo / het-albino
0.1 BCI Anery / het-albino
0.1 BCI Hypo (possible super)
1.0 BCI albino het stripe
1.0 BCI salmon hypo
0.1 BCI ghost

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

>>WOW, I don't log on for a day and a half and y'all go on and on about one of my favorite subjects.
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>>Very interesting concept about the fatty deposits. I'll have to watch that. I do believe the hypomelanism is only part of the equation for ultimate color. The other color genetics must come into play when determining the ultimate color. For example a red crossed with the hypo line would be different than an orange line crossed to the same hypo line. Just like we see different colors in our litters of normals, pretty much based on the parents colors, we should also see that in the hypo litters based on the colors they were outcrossed to. And just like we see babies of varying colors within individual litters of normals, I would suspect the hypo litters to be the same but to a lesser degree with the hypo influence.
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>>Like Mike indicated I have big plans for creating several outcrossed lines. This dovetails nicely into my existing collection as I have acquired animals from many different sources. Right now I have animals from 7 separate sources and a pair coming from Jeff, my 8th source. Those along with the hypos I have from Mike and EBN should allow me to create lots of outcrossed lines.
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>>Basic plan is to outcross the hypos creating hets in the process that can be crossed back to other unrelated hets.
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>>My pair of hypo's from Mike labeled as "A"
>>My hypo and het for hypo from EBN labeled as "B"
>>My 8 lines labeled as "1" through "8"
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>>For example, gen 1 = A1, B2, A3, B4, A5, B6, A7 and B8 (letters and numbers represent the parents) All hets
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>>Gen 2 = AB12, AB34, AB56, AB78 (letters and numbers represent the grandparents)
>>1/4th hypos and 3/4th 66% hets
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>>I'm hoping when I get to the AB12...AB78's they will be crossable hypo to hypo with no complications (beyond normal to normal breedings).
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>>In the meantime I do plan on crossing Mikes with the EBN line as well.
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>>Also, looking forward to working with the pattern differences crossed into the hypo's. The female I got from Mike has bullseyes! That crossed with my bullseye line will mean hypo/bullseye het babies. More crossing means some hypo/bullseye babies. I also have that screamer girl with no crescents at all, yet another possibility. Wow, so many possibilities!!
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>>Pic time........
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>>Female hypo from Mike (check out the crescents and bullseyes):
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>>Male hypo from Mike:
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>>Male Hypo from EBN:
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>>Female Het from EBN:
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>>Some of my various babies and individuals:
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave "Rainbows-R-Us"
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>>0.1 Wife (WC)
>>0.2 kids (CBB)
>>4.12 Brazilian Rainbow Boa
>>2.1 Hypomelanistic BRB
>>0.1 Het for Hypomelanistic BRB
>>0.1 BCI "Elvira" normal from 1989
>>1.0 BCI albino / het-anery
>>0.1 BCI Hypo / het-albino
>>0.1 BCI Anery / het-albino
>>0.1 BCI Hypo (possible super)
>>1.0 BCI albino het stripe
>>1.0 BCI salmon hypo
>>0.1 BCI ghost
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>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Great shot! Nice looking animals....

Chris O
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you definately have a gift for capturing their beauty!!
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Thanks,

Dave "Rainbows-R-Us"

0.1 Wife (WC)
0.2 kids (CBB)
4.12 Brazilian Rainbow Boa
2.1 Hypomelanistic BRB
0.1 Het for Hypomelanistic BRB
0.1 BCI "Elvira" normal from 1989
1.0 BCI albino / het-anery
0.1 BCI Hypo / het-albino
0.1 BCI Anery / het-albino
0.1 BCI Hypo (possible super)
1.0 BCI albino het stripe
1.0 BCI salmon hypo
0.1 BCI ghost

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Hello Everybody,

I do not get to look at the classified section or the Forum Section very often, but today I had some time and saw a relevant topic. If I can remember how to get pictures loaded, I will try to post two sisters from a 2004 litter and a potentially new hypo-bloodline.

I do not know about fat induced pigment, but my thoughts are that the Yellow Coloration does come as rainbowboas age. This phenomenon is very evident in the Anerythristic rainbowboas. After saying this, I also feel that the color of the parents dictate some of the color of the hypos. Therefore, I suspect that outcrossed hets from DEEP DARK RED normals will produce more colorful (pink/red) hypos than outcrossed hets from lighter orange/brown/yellow adults.

Since I may not read the reply’s to this for a while, you can call me or E-mail me directly…rainbowboa@hotmail.com…..

http://rainbowboas.com/images/2004HypoSisters 006.jpg
http://rainbowboas.com/images/2004HypoSisters 008.jpg
http://rainbowboas.com/images/2004HypoSisters 010.jpg
http://rainbowboas.com/images/DSCF3140.JPG
http://rainbowboas.com/images/DSCF3145.JPG

Thanks,
Bryan H. Hummel

rainbowboas.com

Well, I cannot get more than one photos to come up...so here is some more

Ultrasound image of future rainbowboas...

Bryan,
...That snake looks exactly like one of my females from the Gary Walsh 2002 litter. I have two sisters from the litter and the other one is more abberant in pattern and is also a strange tan and light yellow brown color. I think I remember that there were 9 or 10 snakes in the litter and all except one of the males looked normal and three of the females were the bright orange and abberant and also the one very different light colored female I have. One of the other bright orange ones went to Texas. I do not know where the rest of the litter is. The one I have that looks like your bright orange snake has been a picky eater and is not yet big enough for breeding. Her sister is big enough and I hope to get her bred by a normal male this season. I plan to breed my EBV line het Hypo male to these two snakes in the future. I will email if you do not get back here on the forum and reply in a couple days.
Jeff

>>Well, I cannot get more than one photos to come up...so here is some more
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>>Ultrasound image of future rainbowboas...

Jeff,

I didn't know where they were from, But I thought that some of the babies went to you.

She is really different and quite pretty.
I hope that she has good babies...
BHH

This is a potential hypo female (pictured in the above post in her water dish). I am breeding her to the EBV het male (Father of the 2004 hypos) to see if she is of the same bloodline. If I get hypos, she is an unrelated form of the EBV hypo complex. If I do not I have at least 50%chance EBV hets, and possibly 50% chance double hets for both strain of hypo. The circles that you see in the ultrasound are her follicles. Although I have not seen the male breeding her, I have seen him courting her and I have found the "Sperm socks" in the water dish. I have my fingers crossed for healthy babies, but I almost want to have all normal looking babies and therefore possible double hets. This would give me three different and incompatible strains of hypo once I prove her genetic by breeding a male baby back to her.

Wish me luck, this girl is great...look at her side markings, they explode with yellow..
Bryan Hummel 210-218-7915

rainbowboas.com

Hey Brian, you need to add [i mg] before (without the space) and [/i mg] after (again without the space) to each pic url

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Thanks,

Dave "Rainbows-R-Us"

0.1 Wife (WC)
0.2 kids (CBB)
4.12 Brazilian Rainbow Boa
2.1 Hypomelanistic BRB
0.1 Het for Hypomelanistic BRB
0.1 BCI "Elvira" normal from 1989
1.0 BCI albino / het-anery
0.1 BCI Hypo / het-albino
0.1 BCI Anery / het-albino
0.1 BCI Hypo (possible super)
1.0 BCI albino het stripe
1.0 BCI salmon hypo
0.1 BCI ghost

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Sorry I hadn't been keeping up with this thread. I had a personal emergency this weekend - my dog was hit by a car and things have been really crazy since then. The dog is okay (amzingly lucky enough) but we're still trying to cope with everything since he's still recovering.

Anyways, thanks for the compliments on the photos.

Mike - We did see the difference in coloration between the babies even though we only had two Hypo BRB babies, a male and a female. We noticed right away that the coloration was very different on the two. The female seemed more orange and darker whereas the male (the animal that Dave now has) was a much lighter coloration.

I agree with what Jeff discusses about the yellow coloration coming in as the animals age. Our adult male breeder is pretty much solid yellow - very light colored. I remember seeing this in the babies East Bay produced when I worked there. They would come out orange as babies but as they grew, they would turn more and more yellow with each shed. I expect the female that we have and the male that Dave has to do the same. It will be interesting to watch them change as they grow.

Also, I don't know how accurate this is, but I've also noticed that many of the 100% het. babies are extremely red with lots of irridescence. I saw this at EBV as well as here with our babies.

The litter that we produced last season seem to be incredibly strong as far as genetics and growth are concerned. I did not push our babies too hard at first because I didn't want to get into problems of regurgitation, etc. However, none of them gave us a single problem and they are all just pounding hopper mice twice a week now. I know this is a somewhat heavy feeding schedule but I have yet to see even a hint of one of these guys not being able to handle it.

We do have two outcrossings planned this season. We will be breeding our male Hypo BRB to the 100% Het. female again because that breeding proved to be a good match based on these babies. We also have two completely unrelated normal female BRBs that we plan on breeding the Hypo male to in order to make some outcrossed 100% hets.

It's great to see so many people working with these guys and it seems like they are increasing in popularity! I can't wait to see what this season brings!

Thanks,
Celia
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Celia Chien
www.ExoticsByNature.com

2006 Boa Constrictor Morphs Calendar
2006 Ball Python Morphs Calendar