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I got a very pretty yellow creamsicle last week. It's my first creamsicle and first male but not my first corn. I had a female a few years back. I had a some questions.

I know that the creamsicles are hybrids but are they any deferent from regular corns? Are they more aggressive, bigger ext.

Are male corns any deferent (personality and physically) than the females?

HE is a little nervous. He vibrates his tail a lot. I have been holding him twice a day for 5 minutes at a time. Is that too much? He does seem to be calming down.

males are a bit smaller than females, and youve been holding it the perfect amount
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2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
1 amelenistic corn snake (zyklon)
0.1 blizzard corn (blizz)

I thought it was fairly well-established that div align="cetner"males are BIGGER than females.
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Males are bigger than females.
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5 minutes twice a day is the perfect amount? If so is it bad to hold them longer. I handela a species a day this means today I will handel all my corns, Tomorow qill be the Gopher Snake handeling day. Each snake I hold for 30 minutes to an hour and somtimes more, that wont hurt anything holding them so much will it?
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in my estimation. I figure that the time period is too long if the snake manages to defecate on me.

Now if you have snakes who are new and are not eating regularly, that length of handling time could definitely stress them out and contribute to their not eating. However, if you are talking about "normal" corns, you are okay.
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phflame
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I agree. You want to base how often you handle snakes, on your observations of each snake. If handling them too long stresses them, take it down a notch. Yes you want to get them used to it, but they won't if it just stresses them out. Some snakes think it is great to be held and just chill. All the better, but don't put thier health at risk. This is just a general observation and not aimed at anyone. I know that I am excited when I get new snakes, and take a picture, but then I leave them alone for a few days to let them rest and adjust. You have to base things per snake, though, in my opinion.
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I have a 04 creamsicle male and he is my favorite snake by far. He is the best tempered and the most handsome. (I think ) I don't know if this has anything to do with him being a creamsicle, and every snake has his/her own personality. My males are bigger/meatier than my females. My males are also calmer than my females. The one exception is my big new male snow, his #1 goal in life is to take my hand off. But I don't know anything specific to creamsicles, sorry.

>>I know that the creamsicles are hybrids but are they any deferent from regular corns? Are they more aggressive, bigger ext.
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They are hybrids if you consider the different subspecies of the guttatus complex to be separate species. Some herpers consider creamsicles to be crosses bt. two subspecies, like guttatus x emoryi.

In the old days an amelanistic corn snake was crossed with an Emory's ratsnake to get amel. hets. If the hets were then paired to each other you would get some creamsicles (amel) which have orangish saddles. If you breed the creamsicles with amel. corns, you get creamsicles that have more corn in them and more yellowish saddles.

To answer your question, it depends on how much emoryi blood your snake has in it. It can be mostly corn or have a lot of emoryi blood. If it has a lot of emoryi blood in it there will be some differences in size, color/pattern, etc, but not much difference in temperament. Creamsicles are likely a little smaller than normal corns, and possibly a little heavier. Females produce less eggs, but larger young.

Hope it helps a little. I plan on making some creamsicles of my own soon with a cross between a Southwestern ratsnake (Pantherophis g. meahllmorum) x an amelanistic corn.

TC

Photo: my Southwestern ratsnake (Brazos Island male)...

I agree with the others who posted. At the time they were created, creamsicles were believed to be an cross between Corns and Great Plains Rats, which naturally intergrade in the wild.

Since then there's been some disagreement as to if these "intergrades" are really a seperate species (Slowinski's Ratsnakes).

As far as disposition, I have found creamsicles to be exceptionally calm. I think in part this is due to them having Great Plains Ratsnake in their blood.

Creamsicles are also a bit bulkier than "pure" corns.

Tim

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This one's mother was a Reverse Okeetee, there was a lot of variation within the clutch but this one has the Creamsicle look all the way, many of my clutch one babies are close too 2 foot long already. Tom Stevens

The red on this snake is outstanding. Tom Stevens

How old is she?
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phflame
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Thanks! She is about 6 months old. Just about 24 inches. A few from this clutch eat large hoppers or small adult mice. I had previously posted pics of a few from this clutch as the variation was incredible, and most were extremely solid feeders. There were many killer aberrant patterns too. I will post one in a few. Tom Stevens

I LOVE aberrant patterns. The best ones sold fast and a good friend has 2.3 of them. I look forward to seeing what he produces in a few years. Tom Stevens

From the same clutch as well. Tom Stevens

That is one of the things I look for when purchasing a new snake. Is there any unique pattern. That generally helps me name them as well (yes, everyone of my 50 pets have names). If they do not have a unique pattern, it has to have amazing colors, and a morph that I don't have (of course all the snakes have to be healthy - that is the first thing, as a gimmie).
I totally agree that corn snakes are addicting. There are just sooooo many. I can't stop!
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------Misty-------
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Thanks for answering my questions. I am glad to hear that he should turn out to be just as friendly as my snow corn Misty was (still miss her). When I held him yesterday he didn't do the tail vibrating at all.Funny how the two new snakes we got have total different personalities. My husband blood red is very out going and always on the move. Mine is shy but is so placid, he is very easy to hold. Here is his picture....
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