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Hello,

hope that someone can help me in locality identification of this bull snake below:
The parents of this animal came as an USA export to Germany a few years ago. Those one were nearly white in ground color and the saddles in midbody were nearly uniform black, too.

My animals now are 3 years old, maybe they cange color a little more when getting older.

Knows anyone this colorform and can write me their orgin locality?

Regards

Bernd

www.pinesnake.de

Kankakee local would be a good guess. check a couple posts down, there is anouther Kank pic that might help.
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BULLSANKES
1.0 white sided
1.0 hypo
0.1 stillwater hypo
0.1 stillwater. Ok hypo 25% red
1.0 axanthic
1.0 red
0.1 real dark normal

I agree it is a northern locale and like the other poster I think it is probally an Ill. animal. But with that said it could be from any one of the northern locales. have a couple of Minnesota aniamls that closely resemble this animal. It is really difficult to tell just from color and pattern where a bull is from as they are so variable from any one locale. As an example below is a group of Texas aniamls that come from different locales that are pretty diverse.

Good Looking animal though.

John Cherry
Cherryville Farms

I agree with john plus they are probaly all from the same origin but I might be alittle bias because I live in chicago which is only 45 minutes from Kankakee County. but all that aside its a beautifull bullsnake.

http://michaelcravens.com/id79.html
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BULLSANKES
1.0 white sided
1.0 hypo
0.1 stillwater hypo
0.1 stillwater. Ok hypo 25% red
1.0 axanthic
1.0 red
0.1 real dark normal

Thank you for your reply!

Well, I know a few Kankakee County bull pics from the internet. (But thank you, too, for the link!)
I'm always in search for details of the life of my/our lovelys and I compared my animals with my own "sure" Kankakee bull and the pics of the forums and homepages.
Yes, I agree that not every eastern Illinois/western Indiana bull looks like the other - and there are pics of very dark blotched Illinois bulls in the net.
But also some southern Kanada animals have dark blotches. And about those Canadian ones is not much to find in the internet.
Thank you for your answere of a field herpetogist - who knows these animals from the wilderness.

Bernd
Pinesnake.de

I wish I had a pic of mine, but it's an Alberta local, and rather handsome if I may say

A lot like your pic, but the central red region is a lot more pronounced, and the dark/light/dark saddle regions are cut into thirds of the total length.

Ian

Hello John,

thank you for your reply and good suggestions.
I trie to train my eyes to identify more and more bullsnake locals by patternclasses and colors. And especialy in local northern variants we have not so much "material" here in Europe to compare.
Animals of the pet trade in Europe rarely have a specific local i.d. of the animal.

And imports direktly from USA are realy expensive...

So it's fine to hear suggestions of people, who know a lot of those bulls and live some miles nearer at bullsnake habitats than me.

Regards

Bernd
www.pinesnake.de