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I saw these hybrids and now i want one, i have 2 female balls and have planned to get me a borneo blood. please tell me why i should, shouldnt, could, or couldnt breed some of these hybrids. i seen earlier posts about this topic but it was mainly about not messin with nature o some theory that didnt make sense. i figure its the same principle as lettin 2 different breeds of dogs to reproduce for desireable physical characteristics (which is why we have so many different breeds of dogs). ima think about this first though so dont get me wrong...

For the most part, they're a novelty. Many people who breed either one want good bloodlines, and crossing them is not desirable. Hybrids are quite common, and many of the offspring will only breed back to the parents, not each other.
I wouldn't, but that's just me. In the early 70's there was so much cross breeding of the Burmese subspecies, that you never really knew what you had. Years before that, the same problem occured with tropical fish.
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1.1 Blackheaded pythons
1.1 Woma (Juvie female)
2.1 Aussie Olives
1.1 Timors
1.0 Angolan Juvie
1.1 Savu
1.1 Juvie Bloods
1.1 Juvie Balls
1.1 IJ Carpets
1.1 Coastal Carpets
1.2 Macklotts
1.1 Papuan Olives
1.0 Jungle Carpet
2.2 Scrubs (on breeding loan)
0.1 Jungle/Diamond cross
0.1 child, CB
0.1 wife, WC

I wasnt plannin on breedin them for sale, i jus wanted a couple for myself. and i wouldnt breed relatives only because i think it weakens the gene pool. i still need some facts...

I was there. If you are talking true Indian Rocks and crossing true burms .....maybe but it was late 70ties or even early 80ties when albinos were bred and that even wasn't a sub-species ! Most pythons were still imported in those days.
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I may be old , cantankerous, crabby, and cynical, but......

most bivittatus intergradations with molurus and "pimbura" started to occur in the early 80's. Albino burmese were first produced in 1985 or 1986, obviously by Clark. I followed it pretty close back then as I started breeding burmese in the late 70's. Mchambers is correct in that most everything was imported in the 70's, as captive breeding then was still fairly rare.

Kelly

My brain tends to get foggy that far back, and I only saw one Pimbura back then, but I purchased 1.2 Molurus m. x molurus b. from The Shed in either the very late 70's or 1980. Nice animals, very light colored. I have no idea if Joe and Louis bred them or not, but I surmise they came from a private breeder. $125 each
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1.1 Blackheaded pythons
1.1 Woma (Juvie female)
2.1 Aussie Olives
1.1 Timors
1.0 Angolan Juvie
1.1 Savu
1.1 Juvie Bloods
1.1 Juvie Balls
1.1 IJ Carpets
1.1 Coastal Carpets
1.2 Macklotts
1.1 Papuan Olives
1.0 Jungle Carpet
2.2 Scrubs (on breeding loan)
0.1 Jungle/Diamond cross
0.1 child, CB
0.1 wife, WC

Sorry..forgot to add they were babies.
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1.1 Blackheaded pythons
1.1 Woma (Juvie female)
2.1 Aussie Olives
1.1 Timors
1.0 Angolan Juvie
1.1 Savu
1.1 Juvie Bloods
1.1 Juvie Balls
1.1 IJ Carpets
1.1 Coastal Carpets
1.2 Macklotts
1.1 Papuan Olives
1.0 Jungle Carpet
2.2 Scrubs (on breeding loan)
0.1 Jungle/Diamond cross
0.1 child, CB
0.1 wife, WC

Whatever you think of it, it isn't remotely the same principle as "lettin 2 different breeds of dogs to reproduce for desireable physical characteristics." Breeds are not species.

Neither, by the way, are burms and indians. They are the same species, and much more closely related than bloods and balls.

Regardless, as long as the animals are identified for what they are, there is no particular reason not to do it. You may have to deal with fertility and egg mortality issues, and of course none of it matter much if you can't cough up $10K or thereabouts, last I heard.

I know it wont be easy, cause if it was, i wouldnt be asking questions for it. And i dont think it would hurt to try it. i just wanna know what im facing. now, about these fertility and egg mortality issues...
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.......A man does what he wants, a boy does what he can.......

Actually, there has been a successful breeding of a Woma and a Ball Python, and they are certainly different species. Aspidites and Python aren't even close, although they are both pythons.
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1.1 Blackheaded pythons
1.1 Woma (Juvie female)
2.1 Aussie Olives
1.1 Timors
1.0 Angolan Juvie
1.1 Savu
1.1 Juvie Bloods
1.1 Juvie Balls
1.1 IJ Carpets
1.1 Coastal Carpets
1.2 Macklotts
1.1 Papuan Olives
1.0 Jungle Carpet
2.2 Scrubs (on breeding loan)
0.1 Jungle/Diamond cross
0.1 child, CB
0.1 wife, WC

Who said otherwise. A lot of snake species have been hybridized.

You really should learn to breed balls or bloods, preferably both, first. Otherwise, in the extremely remote possibility that you get fertile eggs, you won't know how to incubate them. They aren't cornsnake eggs.

The fertility and egg mortality issues are just typical for hybrids. I know those issues exist with burm x retics, and the only people I know who have produced blood x balls were experienced python breeders who tried for many years with many animals before succeeding one time.

Learn to crawl before you try to fly.

Ah, now I see you just want to breed hybrids, not buy one.

Good luck. Just putting them together likely will not do the trick. People have done it have put in years of effort, with many, many failed breedings.

Anybody have some good advice??? or should i post up inna different forum?
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.......A man does what he wants, a boy does what he can.......

Advice has been given, grasshopper Take what you wish, disregard the rest....
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1.1 Blackheaded pythons
1.1 Woma (Juvie female)
2.1 Aussie Olives
1.1 Timors
1.0 Angolan Juvie
1.1 Savu
1.1 Juvie Bloods
1.1 Juvie Balls
1.1 IJ Carpets
1.1 Coastal Carpets
1.2 Macklotts
1.1 Papuan Olives
1.0 Jungle Carpet
2.2 Scrubs (on breeding loan)
0.1 Jungle/Diamond cross
0.1 child, CB
0.1 wife, WC

well, i meant factual advice such as experience or some education. but i guess im gonna have to jus find out for myself on this one
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.......A man does what he wants, a boy does what he can.......

I understand, lol. It's just that there isn't much info available on it. With some people, it's a closely gurded secret, others say exactly how it's done. Either way, it's all up to the snakes. Some won't, some will. I tried putting one of my Olive males in with a similar sized MacLotts female. They ignored each other...and it was breeding season, and they are both proven breeders. Luck has a lot to do with it.

Some tortoises hump rocks, some won't mate with a proper female.
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1.1 Blackheaded pythons
1.1 Woma (Juvie female)
2.1 Aussie Olives
1.1 Timors
1.0 Angolan Juvie
1.1 Savu
1.1 Juvie Bloods
1.1 Juvie Balls
1.1 IJ Carpets
1.1 Coastal Carpets
1.2 Macklotts
1.1 Papuan Olives
1.0 Jungle Carpet
2.2 Scrubs (on breeding loan)
0.1 Jungle/Diamond cross
0.1 child, CB
0.1 wife, WC

You want GOOD advice, huh? OK, without getting into the ethics of hybridization, or any other form of discussion regarding why or why not - you started backwards. Female bloods, male balls makes much more sense...just look at the size of a breedable female ball compared to a breedable male blood. It just doesn't want to work that way (not saying it can't - just that it would be much easier the other way around)