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Ok, I am wondering how many of you have a morph valued at more than 2K, have not bred and do not intend to breed (snakes that is, I have no interest in your sex lives )
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1.1 Balls (1.0 het clown 0.1 normal)
1.1 Kittys and
0.1 WC Human
"I need evaluation...and dinner; and by dinner I don't mean gnome heads!"

I have a male Albino that I do not plan on breeding, that is a pet, but I must admit that the thought has crossed my mind to start a little albino pied project just for me. So as of right now...just a pet.

But seriously - I don't think there are a lot of people out there that will pay $1000 or more for a pet snake. I paid a lot for my Angolan - expecting him to only be a pet - but now yeah - I'm looking for a girlfriend for him.

I have a friend that has some pieds, an albino and he picked up a pin this year and has no intentions of breeding any of them. Course I may talk him into lending me the pin for loan. They are just his pets - I don't think he even knows the sex of most of them - and he does have normals too.

You'll also find lots of "hobbyists" don't visit the various forums.
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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

11.42.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi - yeah I know but my kids love the book)
0.1.0 Bredls Python (Smurfette)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.0 frogs rescued from pool skimmer

I have an extra 2005 (550g) SCREAMER Graziani Pastel female that is market valued at [or a little more than] the $2000 price range. And I have no intention of breeding her at all.

(That's because I just decided to advertise her for sale. It's a loophole, but it still qualifies! LOL)

Chris
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mean people suck

I have heard that a 2005 (550g) SCREAMER Graziani Pastel female falling into the 2000 range (feet or degrees, not sure which one) is a really nice snake! Boy a person could really start a good breeding project with something like that!

So what you are saying is that people buy them for breeding? interesting, someone should look into that(breeding them).
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Bryan, Atlanta GA

1-0-0 Rescued Ball Python - Apep
0-1-0 Rescued Mountain Horned Dragon - Ki
0-0-1 Rescued Aggressive Bearded Dragon - Zeus
0-0-1 Rescued Non-Alpha Green Iguana - Bud
1-1-0 Rescued Rats... no wait... ROTTEN Little Cats - Ra, Bastet
0-0-1 Rescued Dieting Panda Hamster - Mr. Fluffy
0-1-0 Rescued Little Angelic Kitten - Isis
1-0-0 Horse... whoops... BIG Golden Retriever - Jake
0-1-0 Wife
2-0-0 Kids

I am sure that I clearly included a dollar sign! LOL

Breeding for profit?!? What?!? Is this really possible?!? NO WAY!!!

Chris =)
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mean people suck

Well, as usual, my inprecise language has opened a loophole Those of you who have many, many snakes (Tosha ) have answered regarding your one snake that you haven't bred. What I meant was those of you who do not breed at all. Oh well, your answers are well apreciated anyway.
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1.1 Balls (1.0 het clown 0.1 normal)
1.1 Kittys and
0.1 WC Human
"I need evaluation...and dinner; and by dinner I don't mean gnome heads!"

those things rock
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1.1 Balls (1.0 het clown 0.1 normal)
1.1 Kittys and
0.1 WC Human
"I need evaluation...and dinner; and by dinner I don't mean gnome heads!"

LOL - he hasn't said yes yet - I've got my fingers crossed and a lot of work (kissing up) to do.
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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

11.42.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi - yeah I know but my kids love the book)
0.1.0 Bredls Python (Smurfette)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.0 frogs rescued from pool skimmer

Oh -ok - then - yeah there are people out there that do spend that kind of money with no intentions of breeding - but easily 95% of the BP Morph market is breeders.
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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

11.42.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi - yeah I know but my kids love the book)
0.1.0 Bredls Python (Smurfette)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.0 frogs rescued from pool skimmer

yeah, thats pretty much what I think too. Even If one has no intention of ever making a profit their is no better way to get the morphs you want than to breed your own. And there is no way I'm ever going to spend 6 K on a super pastel (or any super co-dom) when I can buy a pastel male for 700ish and breed my own. But Iwanted to see what others do. Thanks again and good luck with the brown nosing
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1.1 Balls (1.0 het clown 0.1 normal)
1.1 Kittys and
0.1 WC Human
"I need evaluation...and dinner; and by dinner I don't mean gnome heads!"

About two years ago, a coworker of my wife was about to be sent away on a one year contracting assignment along with his roommate who worked in the same department. He overheard my wife discussing ball pythons one day, and asked if I would mind watching his own animals while he was away. (This was 1.2 Piebalds and 1.1 Pastels. All proven adults.)

The person mentioned that in exchange for watching his animals, I was allowed to breed them at my pleasure. I was also allowed to keep any and all offspring. (The animals were inherited from his father a few years before. While the person agreed that the animals were interesting, he had no idea about a breeding market. He had even mentioned that Pastels were worth next to nothing. The previous year the Pastel pair had produced eight offspring. Some nice, some really nice. He sold the entire group to a local zoo for $500 total! LOL What a waste! That was AT LEAST $25,000 down the drain! LOL)

I agreed to watch the animals, and was planning on starting a nice Pastel Piebald project.

I waited for arrangements to be made for pickup of the animals. No word. No contact. Weeks passed. The person was shipped away to the contracting assignment. The deal fell through. I almost cried.

Several months later, the person returned to the local business office. The contracting assignment was complete. The person immediately approached my wife and asked about a date when the animals could be returned to him. My wife had no idea what he was talking about. She responded that we had never received the animals. The person was confused. He went home. (He hadn't been home yet.)

He arrived to his old apartment to find all of his animals gone. Everything he owned was gone -- his animals, his clothes, his electronics, and his Harley Davidson.

No roommate.

The story unfolds as this:

The roommate left for the contracting assignment one week AFTER the snake owner. The roommate told this person that he would personally deliver the animals to my wife and me. (He never intended to do this.) He joined the snake owner on the new assignment, and periodically told him that his girlfriend was checking on the animals and my wife and I were treating them well. The roommate even went so far as to tell this person that his girlfriend was dining out with us on a regular basis and was now our new babysitter. (I have no idea who this girlfriend is at all.) The roommate returned from the contracting assignment one week BEFORE the snake owner. This is when the apartment was cleaned out.

Eventually, the snake owner stumbled upon the whereabouts of his ex-roommate. (Two states away.) The discovery was a very happy accident. The snake owner showed up one day with six of his largest friends. The ex-roommate was more than cooperative about returning the items that he was "watching for safe-keeping".

And the snake owner also received a few fresh Piebald hatchlings out of the deal!

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Anyway...this person owned several very expensive morphs. And this person was NOT breeding them for money.

Chris
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mean people suck

We intitially bought an 04 pastel female early last year strictly to keep as a pet. The breeder even tried to talk us out of her, suggesting we purchase a normal or a corn snake. We figured it was pretty close to what you would pay for a pure bred dog from a good bloodline; and if it is an animal you will enjoy for the next 20 years, it might as well beone you find asthetically pleasing.The kids named her sweet pea.

Not sure if your counting initial intentions. I had NO idea that there was a "Ball Python Market" at the time
That was before my "ball python problem" as my Husband calls it. Now I can hardly wait until 07 to breed her my own little pippers.
Below is Sweet Pea's glamour shot.

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"There is a fine line between a hobby and mental illness"
COLD BLOOD.........WARM HEART

Why wait till O7? Most of my 04 females are breeding or have already ovulated...
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