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El Diablo the Ball Python

stano40 Feb 09, 2006 09:25 PM

Since starting with ball pythons this is the first time I have run across an aggressive bp, let alone being a baby bp.

My wife adopted this latest one, which would make seven in her herd of bp's,the latest adoption being from petco. She was told this one was brought back 3 times for being overly aggressive and has not eaten since being returned. I wonder in the month's time while this baby was being taken back and forth, has it ever eaten?

She asked to see the bp. (Problem 1) is the way petco handled the bp. They would use the hide on the bp to hold down the snakes head and then grab the bp from behind. To me that's a big no-no.

Well, Michelle brought home the bp and it was doing pretty good sitting in her hand while talking to the bp gently and rubbing the bp's body. I know that sounds silly but at first it seemed to calm the bp down.

That was a mistake, it lunged for her and missed her thumb. Figuring the bp was hungry she put the bp back in its house & tried a f/t fuzzy mouse (thawed in warm water). The snake literally struck passed the mouse, out at her and tagged her finger which drew blood. She left the mouse hoping the snake will go for it. I told her she should use tongs to feed El Diablo, she said she did.

Later she took the F/T mouse out and tried talking gently to the bp, but all it did was sit in its enclosure coiled up and ready to strike at her. It missed this time, I guess it's aim was off or it's getting tired. I told Michelle if it were venomous she would be dead a few times over.

This is where we are with the terror baby bp and looking for hints on maybe what to do to calm it down. Future plans are on using the bp for breeding. Michelle is new at popping hemipenes but believes its a male. She has a video on how to pop hemipenes and looked at this procedure on the internet.

We don't want to give up on the snake but if it's doing this now, being a baby what's it going to be like when it grows up.

Any advise would be helpful.

bob and michelle
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Replies (9)

ginebig Feb 09, 2006 10:24 PM

Well, if he's always been treated like the guys at Petco treated him, it's no wonder he's got an attitude . Just go in knowing you're gonna have to take a few nips. I'd put him in a low traffic area of the house and let him settle in for a few days, a week maybe. No quick movements around the tank. When you go to take him out next time slowly lower your hand, palm down and flat, straight down towards his body. Once close enough touch the top of his head and stroke him lightly down about a third of his length. Do this a couple times and if he sits still for it slip your hand under his body and try to lift him out. If he DOESN'T sit still for it try not to jerk your hand away. If he slithers off to a new spot let him calm back down and try again. Repeat the process . On the other hand if he bites you tell him he's a bad boy and walk away. Try again tomorrow. Maybe get a cheap pair of garden gloves to wear till he gets past his biting stage. Just use common sense in all this. The more you are able to hold him the sooner he'll calm down. Good luck. If all else fails, I accept bad snakes

Quig

stano40 Feb 09, 2006 10:33 PM

Thank you for your advise. It is very constructive. If all else fails I do have a shipping container.

bob and michelle
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ginebig Feb 09, 2006 11:08 PM

LOL, he's young yet. He'll most likely grow out of it in time.

bpconnection Feb 09, 2006 11:02 PM

One of my first bp's was a cbb I named "newbie" (because she was a "new" bp and was a "B" - if you know what I mean). I couldn't open her box without her striking (and often connecting). Now's she's pretty docile...here's how I worked it.

1 - Leave her alone for a good week. Don't try to feed her...only water (give her a hide or paper to hide under)
2 - After a week, offer food. If she doesn't take it, go ahead and try holding her, slowly gently, not getting in front (she'll bite). (I offer food first, b/c if you hold her first and she get's stressed, she might not eat, so if she' eats, that's better...just wait a day to pick her up).
3 - Make it a point to hold her once a day, holding her for a while, stroking her, cupping her in your hands.

Eventually, she'll tame up...or this is what I found. Newbie isn't a "loving" snake, but she's definitely very handleable and eats well. I also think scent is a big thing. I can hold her w/o a problem, but if someone else is trying to hold her, she'll often strike (or at least pull back ready to strike). I think this is b/c she's used to my scent. Good luck!
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stano40 Feb 10, 2006 07:09 AM

As always good advise from the members on kingsnake. I will let my wife, michelle read this latest reply. The day she got bit feeding Diablo she did use tweezers (about 8 inch's long)and it purposely struck past the rodent,which was thawed in warm water.

Michelle is not planning to give up on the little darlin'.

bob
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jarskie Feb 10, 2006 01:37 PM

Try taking a unwashed shirt and placing it in the enclosure as a hide. This might help him get used to your scent. Have you tried feeding live, or fresh killed. I have had better luck on problem feeders with live. But, thats me, and every snake is different. Good Luck!

~Johnny

toshamc Feb 10, 2006 02:11 PM

First of all - I don't know how long you have had this animal - but the constant handling - will stress him out and he'll keep biting. Put him in an enclosure and leave him - he's heavily stressed and he's been mistreated - this means the only time he should see you in the next couple of weeks is when you change his water or feed him. If he has been eating live at the store - this is not the time to get him switched to f/t - continue feeding him live until he settles in - you may feed him in his cage to reduce any stress - keep an eye on him and remove the mouse if it's not eaten in 15 to 20 minutes (a mouse running around the cage will further stress him). The t-shirt trick works great - put that stinky old shirt in the cage with him and then let him get comfy - make sure that it's your wifes shirt since she will be the one breaking him in.

After a couple of weeks - then you try handling him - 5 minutes at a time and what ever you do - do not teach him that he can get away with biting you - if he strikes at you reach in and pick him up anyway. Then once he is in your hands - just sit with him don't walk around or try to play with him - let him just sit and huff and puff at you - then put him back in his cage. Do it every other day and gradually increase the time of handling.

Most balls will eventually outgrow the bitting - some don't - but even an adult ball doesnt bite too bad.

BTW Did you heat up the rat after thawing? And 8" tweezers aren't quite long enough - I use 18 - 24 just so there is only one hot spot dangling in front of the snake and no confusing my hand with the food.

Hope some of this helps.
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bps516 Feb 10, 2006 09:09 AM

We have the same problem with our beardy that my wife got from work (PetSmart). He was biting her on almost a daily basis (daily when she was working) in the store so she decided if he was going to act that way she would just make him deal with her daily at home. About a month ago he stopped. A couple of days later she took him in for a checkup and found he had parasites. We got it treated and now he has completely changed! He is now back to biting her daily... With her consistancy eventually either he will stop or well... she will continue getting bit daily. I hope for better luck for your wife. I think he will come around.
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nita Feb 10, 2006 05:29 PM

It will settle down but it will take time.

First I would leave it alone for at least a week. Give it some place dark and safe. If it has been brought back to the store three times in a month I'm doubting the little baby has had a chance to settle in anywhere. Then offer him something to eat, even a live hopper if you have to just to get something in him. I would leave him alone for a month myself especially if he starts eating and then slowly start handling him for small sessions 2 or 3 times a week. Patience is the key.
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