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LIfespan of Yarrow's Spiny lizard

Esther Feb 11, 2006 07:04 PM

Hi, guys.

My two indoor Yarrow's spineys seem to be slowing down a bit. One of them seems to have a depressed appetite, but eats when he wants to, and the other likes to hide in her burrow more than she used to. They're about 5 years old and I've had them since their mother dropped them. Would you say this is normal for their age?

Their young Sceloporus u. consobrinus tankmates, on the other hand, are just lively delightful scamps.

I just lost my beloved Chihuahuan whiptail Chi-chi (same tank) last week. She was at least 6 years old and perhaps more, as she was wild-caught. Was this a normal lifespan for her?

This summer, when I come back Out West, I just HAVE to get another Chi or Sonoran whiptail. The tank seems so empty without one. They are just the most personable pets, just like little dogs. Chi-chi would come right up to the front of the tank when she saw me, cock her head, and emote "Got waxworms?" I sure do miss her!

Thanks for any answers.

Replies (5)

dvl Feb 12, 2006 08:31 AM

Good to "Hear" from you! My stud male died late last summer. He was also 6 years old. I doubt many Spineys live much more than 7-8 or so.

I have a YARD FULL of Chi-wa-wun Spotted Whiptails !! One of the all girl species. I even saw one out sunning last week end when it was in the mid 70's.

Will holler later as it warms up.

Regards
David
whiptail

Esther Feb 12, 2006 11:11 AM

You can hardly even see out the window. I see that my little Scion is near-buried. There's already been 23" of snow in Central Park in Manhattan, but our bean-counting mayor will probably still have the schools open. No kids but the most local will come, but he'd be damned if he'd let the teachers have a freebie, even at the risk of life and limb to get to school.

Yeah, I think my Yarrows are winding down. I guess it's time. They are absolutely one of my favorite species, a must-have, being so beautiful and just the right size.

My Chi-chi whiptail just curled up in the cricket bowl (I pinch off the hind legs of the crickets so they stay in this bowl and don't multiply in the tank) and went to sleep, never waking up. She looked utterly peaceful when she died, which comforted me. She was still looking beautiful, plump, had recently shed. I guess her little heart just gave out. She had to be at least 2 years old when Ian caught her and mailed her to me, as she certainly wasn't a YOY. She led a very pampered life, showing off her personal quirks. She lost her tail about a year ago when she saw me at the tank and leaped halfway out to get her waxworms, then the screen top fell on her tail. But I loved that little gal anyway, she was just so personable.

I've got a pair of zebra tailed lizards, too. I put them up in a 30 gallon breeder tank with sand and Lizard Litter separate areas of substrate, separated by picture jasper "mountains". They seem very happy, as does the young NM whiptail in there with them. They lost their initial spookiness and will now eagerly take waxworms I drop in there without flinching at my presence. A few months ago, the female ZT laid 7 eggs, which were apparently unfertilized. I wish the male would get on the ball there, as it would be neat to breed these beautiful guys.

I have 1.4 Texas banded gex in another tank. Although I saw them definitely mating a few weeks ago, and keep the area around their water bowl moist by overflowing the bowl, I have not seen any Texas banded gecko eggs or babies. Is there anything special about their breeding? They also seem VERY happy, and are darling pets. I have a red light which comes on at night so I can see them in their nocturnal reverie.

Yes, all my lizards are very appreciated for being what they are, and lead pampered lives.

If you have any stray young lizards of small species cluttering up your yard, yes I would very much appreciate adding their presence to my living room. I have a 20 long empty now, which would be great for some utas, earless lizards, etc., there is the vacancy in the Yarrows tank for a whiptail, and I could probably put another small whiptail species in with the ZTs and NM whiptail. A chuck would be too big for my small apartment though, I'm afraid. It sure would be neat to have, but I couldn't provide it the space it deserves.

I'm not sure exactly what states I'll be cruising through this summer. Last summer I traveled 3300 miles through CO, UT, NV, AZ, and NM on a glorious Grand Circle road trip. I can pretty much count on CO (Denver being my western headquarters), AZ, and NM, as I want to revisit Canyon de Chelly and the Acoma pueblo.

Baby collared lizard from the Painted Desert

Johne Feb 14, 2006 09:05 AM

I have a nice female that I got from DVL about three years ago. I'm going to send her back to DVL this Spring sometime to see if he can get some more babies around his porch from her.

How big was that whiptail you had...I would have thought they might have been problematic for those yarrows, but I keep mine with my collareds and chuckwallas and she has beenn fine for three years...living both inside during the winter and outside during the summer.

You have Ian's contact information? I tried to call him the other day and the phone is no longer valid. Please e-mail me at eddington@admworld.com

Thanks!

John Eddington

Esther Feb 14, 2006 08:36 PM

The whiptail was, body-wise, about as big as a healthy plump Yarrow's, but her tail was longer. There was NEVER ever any sign of aggression between her and the Yarrow's or even the teenage consobrinus pair in there. She was just a love, what can I say?

I am always careful to match body size of lizards. I've seen what can happen otherwise, in a Petland pet shop tank. Very expensive snack for one of their lizards.

Tonight I happened to buy a pair of longtailed grass lizards, with the eventual goal of adding them in with my green anoles. I've always liked longtails, they're very cute and in the lacertid family, a special favorite group of mine. I swabbed their stomachs with Scope mouthwash to roust out the black mites which are almost standard on longtails. The ventral scales are deceiving and you would never realize how deep they go, offering a perfect refuge for those nasty black suckers. I turned up one mite this way, and dispatched it gleefully. I must ask Dick Bartlett how best to rid them of any possible internal parasites. They are the only non-north American native lizard now in my house, and I know those imports carry heavy parasite loads. I don't want to turn them loose with the anoles until I have had a chance to clean them up. So now they're in their own 10 gallon which I filled with silk vines and climbing branches for them. Pure hog heaven for a longtail.

I will email you Ian's email address. He is now a doctoral student in Albuquerque at the U of NM.

It will be nice if I can get another whiptail like Chi-chi to spoil. The tank really seems lifeless without that diva.

Johne Feb 15, 2006 01:06 PM

If I can ever find the time, I would love to make that trip that you mention. Colorado, Utah, Az, NM etc.

Thanks again,

John

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