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Is there any one else working with Abby's? I know Mike from Basically Boas has them any one else?

Michael, What Abby litter did those come from? I was not aware that anyone else produced Aby offspring in 2005?
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This is the litter they produced in 2005.

....'PC' litter. PC being short for Pink Colombians. They are close cousins to the Abys, but they are not Abys IMO as they did not come from one of the two original Aby girls. They do share the similar blood as the 'PC' females are sisters to the two original Aby girls. The groups that I am currently working with originate from one of the two original female Abys that I obtained from Rich years ago when I worked for him. Aby being short for Aberrant. My first breeding w/ my Aby female back in 2001 was to a very colorful imported male Colombian. My stock has some different blood in them due to this breeding. I then bred those F1's to a Salmon which produced the boas below.

Michael, those are very nice animals and I am sure they will produce great offspring. They have been called PC's for as long as I have known, and that is what I still consider them.

Remember, this is just my opinion on the subject.

Here are a few current pics of some of my Aby stock.

Enjoy,

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jk lol! Those are some amazing boas, so solid. I can't beleive I've never seen those shots before. That first one is incredible, but my favorite is the second! Kinda reminds me of a hypo monstertail. Good luck this season, hope to see some more Aby's and some killer Sharps.
Michael Burton

>>....'PC' litter. PC being short for Pink Colombians. They are close cousins to the Abys, but they are not Abys IMO as they did not come from one of the two original Aby girls. They do share the similar blood as the 'PC' females are sisters to the two original Aby girls. The groups that I am currently working with originate from one of the two original female Abys that I obtained from Rich years ago when I worked for him. Aby being short for Aberrant. My first breeding w/ my Aby female back in 2001 was to a very colorful imported male Colombian. My stock has some different blood in them due to this breeding. I then bred those F1's to a Salmon which produced the boas below.
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>>Michael, those are very nice animals and I am sure they will produce great offspring. They have been called PC's for as long as I have known, and that is what I still consider them.
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>>Remember, this is just my opinion on the subject.
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>>Here are a few current pics of some of my Aby stock.
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>>Enjoy,
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Another line of boas I now have to add to my wish list.
Mike, thanks for explaining the history of the abby's and good luck with them.
Chuck

I was told this group came from the Original Abby breedings when you Rich did work together. Yes it was cross with the PC line as well as some Hypos.

Michael T
Boas Etc.

I was sold a good # of animals as an Abby Project.

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And 7 other great looking boas from Basically Boas

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What does abby signify? Where did they orignate?
I have seen pics of them and I am very interested. Any info will be appreciated.
Thank you
Chuck

I have been working on my "cyclone" line of abberant high color hypos and normals.

Here is my Aby '04 male purchased from Boaman76 himself. I love him ( my Boa that is).



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A number of years ago I bred two normal Columbians and produced a beautiful litter of really nice boas that were incredibly pink, except for 2. Those 2 were dark and aberrant with what some would call a ladder tail. They were totally different looking animals. I kept the 2 aberrant girls and several of the pinkest girls. The girls that were pink we started referring to as the “PC” girls. A number of years ago, when Mike from Basically Boas was helping me with my photos I gave him one of the aberrant girls. He named her Aby, and I may add that he has developed that look referred to as the “Abby group” into the Salmon line and produced some of the most beautiful boas I have seen. I bred the “PC” girls into the Salmon line and they produced some very beautiful boas that we refer to as “PC” Salmons.

Wanting to fine tune this look, last year I took a very nice “PC” Salmon male and bred him back to one of the original sisters (a “PC” girl- littermate to Mikes “Aby”) thinking that we would just get a better, pinker Salmon! We were very surprised that almost exactly 25% of the babies show the aberrant look, some normals and some Salmons. 75% were again just very nice “PC” Salmons and normals. Maybe I was mistaken for calling the aberrant animals Aby’s. I realize that the “Aby” look/ trait, is the name we all use to refer to the animals Mike has produced developing this look, but when we had babies born, 25% suggesting that the parents were heterozygous for this look/ trait, we referred to them as “Aby’s”. I was wrong! I should have called them “PC Aby’s” so they would not be confused with the animals Mike produced.

Genetics is a very complex thing! We feel that because there were 2 girls from the first litter and offspring from their sisters showed the look without any out breeding, they are carrying this aberrant trait.

Again I must say that the animals that Mike is sharing photos of in this post are incredible! If I am not mistaken, the Salmon male that is the father of these Salmon Aby’s is an animal that Mike purchased from me and came from a litter that was a breeding of a Jungle (another aberrant trait) to a Salmon. This male Salmon with a Jungle father and a Salmon mother had the appearance of a Salmon and really did not look a lot like a Jungle. I remember how excited Mike was when he called me after the litter was born. I know this just complicates things. Like I said before, genetics is very complex. Maybe some of these beautiful boas in Mikes post are “Salmon Jungle Aby’s”???

Until more breeding and work is done with the animals that show this aberrant look and only have the genetics from the original group, and do not have the possible Jungle influence or other out-bred influences, will we know the true genetics of this project. This year we are breeding the PC male that fathered last year’s aberrant babies to its PC mother. Also, we are breeding a 2002’ PC female that shows no aberrancies to a 2003’ PC male that also shows no aberrancies. This will help determine what is going on with the aberrant look that I should refer to as the “PC Aby’s”.

These are just the facts as we know them. We are very excited about the future of this project and what it might bring to the boa world.

Thanks
Rich Ihle,
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I am very glad you supplied us with this info Rich.

I am very ecited to see what the current breedings reveal, please keep us posted on how it turns out.

Thanks,
Mark

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Rich, I appreciate the information.
Thank you
Chuck

.........Lets not forget that the Salmon I did use was bred twice over after the initial litter to other females and produced nice Salmons & normals with no Jungles or aberrant boas either time. This would rule out the theory of him being a Jungle. So I feel this statement is false, "Maybe some of these beautiful boas in Mikes post are “Salmon Jungle Aby’s”???

Thanks,
Mike

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Sorry Mike, there was no offense meant. With that information it even clears up more questions about these PC and Aby animals. If you told me about that male breeding those other animals, I obviously forgot. I will be sure and call my animals "PC Aby's" in the future so people wont be confused.

Best regards,
Rich

about the abby abberancies, what about their genetic ? Recessive, dominant and/or co-dom to be proved ? I am only asking about the results on the non hypos, because salmon can sometime add abberancies .
Thank for your answer .

Until more breedings are done, we are not sure exactly what is going on with this trait. Im sure Mike understands the trait better because he has had more experience with this gene, breeding the original aberrant girl. I was never able to breed the aberrant girl I kept to compare notes.

Thanks,
Rich

You also produced this boy in 2002. He has been a great breeder for me and has produced some very nice colorful and abberant babies. I know you probably will not answer this, because you probably don't care for me, but I was wondering if this male may be from the same line, PC or ABY.

Thank you Rich
Bob McPhee

Bob,

I do not recall the ID on that male, but I believe he was from the DH litter, which is not related in anyway to the PC/Aby line. The DH litter was produced from a Salmon bred to one of the original Orangetail hypos of Dr. David Hardys. It looks like he is doing well.

Rich

Snakes. These are from last year.

Thanks again
Bob McPhee

Thanks
Bob McPhee