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If you happen to know of anyone that might have any drop me an e-mail at

dna@executivereptiles.com

I would love to see who has them and who works with them. Many thanks
David
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Combs reptiles had a dh for leapord and albino pair for sale a while ago.

Shot

Thanks for the info, much appreciated..
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this time of year it is hard to find ANY Leopards. Tom Burke has a few DH High Contrast Albino Leopards, but from your projects I do not think this is what you want.
There are also a few people with DH from the '03 litter by a German breeder, working with a different line from Hans Winner's. I am not sure about anything from this line, except that the breeder said it was not at all related.

Last year I had talked to a few of the well known breeders pre-Daytona. I was told to contact Hans. A few days later Tracy Barker posted babies from a litter she had from a project with Jeremy Stone. You may want to contact Tracy and Jeremy to see if they have any babies left. Hans usually has a few yearlings available. Email him, he will send you pictures, then you can choose which one you want and send him a bank transfer. He will then have it shipped out of Florida by Mark Bell. (Once Hans has babies he ships them to Mark to condense costs, and Mark holds the animals until they are sold, and then ships them).

If you are looking for a Leopard NOW I would talk to Jeremy, Tracy, or Hans. If you want to wait, Daytona will allow for a nice selection. If you decide to wait for '06 babies, buy BEFORE Daytona. I did, and got the nicest baby I could. When I was at Daytona I saw a nice selection, but probably would not have been as happy.

Thanks Chris,

Ya I am for sure wanting to get a NORMAL Leopard, It will be interesting to see what the albino leopards are going to look like, but The albino gene is not a dwarf gene, where the leopard is, and an albino leopard in my opinion can't be called a dwarf anymore. We currently have Sonorans, Crossing fingers that our female will have a nice litter soon, but we have sold all of our BCI Morphs to focus more on Locality Dwarf boas. Thanks for the heads up, we are in no hurry, I just see the race to produce Albino leopards, hopefully people are still breeding normal pure leopards...

We have a nice Hypo Sonoran that we would like to pair up with a leopard in the future..

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A lot of breeders working with Leopards are useing them to create designer morphs with other Dwarf BCI morphs (Nicaraguan T-pos Albino, and Bloods). The Leopards are in need of heavy outbreeding, unless we want to cause ourselves problems.

In the U.S. there are going to be a number of people breeding American bloodline Hypo Sonorans to Leopards (I was going to, but sold the female I had to help pay for my Leopard).
On the Albino end, that is a project I want to do, but I want to work with Dwarfs first. The only Albino X Dwarf BCI project I have is the Blizzard project. Which will be bred back to Nicaraguan Type II Anerys in the end.

In about two years I should have litters from my Leopard X 66% Het Leopard (pure Sonoran), and Leopard X Gee line Hypo (Gee line Hypos are Central American for the most part).
Then after I do some things on the Colombian end I may breed my Leopard to a Sharp Albino, or Colombian T-Positive (these are the only crosses I can see myself doing into large animals).

Take care, and good luck.

I was just talking to someone who had a different version of how the leopard came about, I had always thought that Hanz Winner had bred two normal looking Sonoran Desert Boas together and produced the leopard? I have tried to find the history on the original leopard but havn't found any, do you know? The chat I had with a fellow boa breeder was that the het leopards look way different than a normal Sonoran Desert boa, at least the Sonorans we see here in the US, I was wondering if the original Adult pair that produced them where Sonorans? Or are the Sonorans over in Europe a little differnt? Good Luck with your projects.
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Three different breeders in germany have bred Sonorans and produced leopards, so there are three strains (compatibility is unknown).
A well known locality Boa breeder (name withheld for privacy on public forum) talked to Hans and Hans mentioned that there was no definitive proof to the original locale of the Normals which produced the Leopards.
This breeder also mentioned the differences between Hans' "sonorans" and the Sonorans here in the US. He said that the Hets looked much like the Normals that first produced the Blood Boas (El Salvador animals brought in by Ron St. Pierre).

One other breeder in Germany has produced what he is calling the Black Pearl, proven genetic, and produced from pure Costa Rican BCI (from the same serpentarium the US stock is from) I believe the locale that produced the Black Pearl was the Western phase. The Black Pearl looks like a Leopard, but is a little darker (I don't think any US breeders have seen them in person).

If you would like the contacts, email me.
Thanks,
Chris

i know that some breeder have tested different het. leopards from different bloodlines and they have get only normal boas,not leopards in the litters.
black pearls are not darker,as baby they look like many leopards very dark but they also change the color like many other leopards but here i dont know if they are leopards or not,for my opinion they are exact the same boas.
in europa you find 3 lines leopards and the "black pearl".
at the beginning this boas was only dark mexicans,than they called mephisto and than leopards,and a other strain now called black pearl(so far this also leopards),its a never ending story...

you can find 3 lines in europa but not all are compatible!!
also have a other breeder a strain that called black pearl maybe this also leopards,they look very close to leopards.
1 line is for my opinion much nicer than winners leopards,they looks very red.
the 03'dh albino leopards paired with sharp albinos so far i know,you find in europa much more breeder that work with sharps as with kahl albinos.
look only that you get some from the same line,the most on the market today are from winners line.

Thanks everyone..
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