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I just wanted to get some opinions about this subject...I for one love boas natural patterens and colors,not to say albinos and others arent pretty....but nothing compares to a nice light colored normal colombian boa to me.Well let me know what you guys thoughts were,please share!!

To me a Boa is a Boa be it color morph or not. I agree that a classic buff colored Boa with its natural look to me is on of the most striking sights. However i just wonder if there is a difference between a color morph and a "normal". Maybe i missed it somewhere through the years but could it not be TOTALLY possible that color morphs for the most part DO occur in the wild aswell ? so wouldnt they also be "Normals" lolIm pretty sure Man didnt totally invent the idea of color morphs gene's i mean mother nature has them there already
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I see your point...I love boas too,but I just dont beleive in the rampant inbreeding done just to make something weird or new just to make money...and I was just talking about the color and pattren,an albino is just not as pretty as a "classic" boa....just my humble opinion,sorry if I seem rude.

Rude ? not at all.

I agree with you that the albino is not as colorful as a "normal" due to the fact there is ( no color in the albino other then red/ orange) But i have seen many a albino that just stop me in my tracks like WHOA!. lol But none the less While myself I am startingto work alot more with color morphs and such I still own a ALOT of perfectly normal common BCI. and to be frank i have just recently picked up 3 nice BIG pretty normals for breeding guess what to ... NORMALS lol and we have 2 more comming next week. The only actual " Color morph i own " now is a snow boa & we own some hypos , salmons etc . So i have a nice collection of normals with some "spice tossed in for good measure"

So yeah i agree normals are a beautiful snake
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Personally I love the color of the albinos, especially the high contrast ones. This little girl is only 9 months old and just starting to get her color. Imagine what she will look like in another year. With that said, I am also a sucker for a nice normal.

Matt

doesn't represent the typical albino!!
You are more than lucky to have her if she looks like that at nearly a year. Beats bannana yellow any day!!
That's why I don't buy albinos as babies anymore, too many lose their color. I'd rather spend the extra money and get one I can be more sure of.
Beautiful girl there...
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Delusions of Grandeur feed the EGO...

>Maybe i missed it somewhere through the years but could it not be TOTALLY possible that color morphs for the most part DO occur in the wild aswell ? so wouldnt they also be "Normals"

Right on! As far as I know, most of the single mutants, like salmon and albino, originated in wild caught snakes. Except I would not call them normals. "Normal" is usually defined as the most common type found in the wild, which lets out salmon, albino, etc.

As for which I like best, I'd hate to have to make the choice. I'm like Jack Benny when the mugger stuck a pistol in his face and said, "Your money or your life!"

Jack: No response.

Mugger: "Your money or your life!!"

Jack: No response.

Mugger, screaming and cocking the pistol: "Your money of your life!!!"

Jack: "I'm thinking! I'm thinking!"

Paul Hollander

Right on man i hear ya there !!

I think when people refer to color morphs as not normal , a mutant , mutts etc etc it doesnt fit the term. Im sure even all the " locality" snakes there are the same forms of genetics in respec to coloration and such there are with BCI. I think maybe its just many of the "pure local" breeders have not run across them. If there were to start popping up BCC ,BCO that were found to be a true local and popped out sayyy Hypos , Anery , and the other colors of BCI morphs and these were outward normal KNOWN local snakes would they be Mutts ? not trying to argue just something i have always pondered. kinda like " is the glass 1/2 full or 1/2 empty arguement i guess .

I think un crossed suri hypos , aneries and all other colors that were bred from two papered snakes that were imported and bred and produced them would the be a mutt to the local breeders ?

And have those been done i dont keep up with the BCC, BCO much but are there as many naturally occuring color morphs in them as BCI?
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I like Silverbacks best, Amarali are the prettiest boas IMHO...

They're gorgeous and I like the fact that they're heavy bodied,
thicker than BCI...

I like BCC, Guyanan's next. I'm not into BCI except for Hogs and
the other insular boas. I don't like that tan color that BCI
get. I like the darker or lighter shades better...

BCI morphs are nice looking and can be a good investment, but I
don't really like them & I prefer to stay away from the business
angle of this hobby...

Bolivian Amarali are where it's at for me!
Plenty of variety as far as color and pattern....silver, red, yellow, purple, thin saddled, striped, patternles, peaked, etc.
They have all the attributes of a true redtail, without the huge size, but still a very powerful animal nonetheless!

That girl I got from you a couple of years ago just shed
yesterday.

She looks better every single time she sheds. She is ONE
pretty boa. I cannot wait to breed her in another couple of
years....

I got a silverback male from Cagle right after getting that one
from you. They will make a very pretty couple I hope...

A boa is a boa to me. I like all of them. From suris to hogs to common colombians. I also like all the morphs, from albinos to sunglows to salmons. It's all good.
Chuck

I love them all.
Michael Burton

Here are some pretty Colombian Boas (IMO)

is this something you like?

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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

I can't stop looking at that girl you sold me. She is insane looking for a normal. Here is a normal that is currently breeding for me right now. My poss triple het striped sunglow male is breeding her, but the normals should be super nice too.

Matt

BTW, this is an old pic, she is bigger now, but has the same color.

I honestly think "Morphs" have given reason for more outcrossing than inbreeding. Many "morphs" like albino and Jungle for example require a good bit of outbreeding in order to breed unrealted animals carrying similar traits together in order to get the end resuilt making the bloodlines stronger if anything.

If there is a "morph" that requires inbreeding, im not familiar withit. The only thing that comes close would be pastels, which are your beloved normals that have been bred back to mother and daughter repeatedly in order to reduce black. This has been done by "line breeding" the best of each litter to the best parent generation after generation, or best two siblings bred to eachother. Those situations all produce "normals" that have been inbred....nor morphs that are inbred.

Those Pastels are SUPER nice, but In my Opinion, you can't call them "Wild Type" or Natural...They have been created from selective breeding, not from just two normal wild types...They are super nice and beautiful, but what is created in captivity unless born from WC adults, to me they have been changed or perfected and are different from the Natural originals. Just my opinion...LOL

Those are really beautiful JOE..
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some WC "naturals" have all the color of a line-bred animal. If any inbreeding occurred...it is a secret only mother nature knows... I do understand what you were saying though. Just showing how splendid mother nature can be when she wants.

Mostly clean Red WC CA (a poss. hypo):

A clean Red & white pastel looking WC CA:

A Cherry Red pastel like Suriname (Caught on expedition to Suriname):

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Delusions of Grandeur feed the EGO...

Awesome...now that what im talkig about...gorgeous...I think albinos are very pretty (no such thing as an ugly boa lol)...but that snakes a knockout!

First off...this is my first post here and im glad I got the responses I did...maybe I was too harsh and maybe a little misguided about the inbreeding...I just have a passion for boas in their natural state...I plan on breeding my boas next year and I would very much like to become part of the "boa" community.Thanks all ...Mitch