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Yasin
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Oh wow..thanks for the pics. She is stunning...

Why call it a Snow?? I understand that the title "Snow" can be considered a coveted phrase to those unfamiliar w/ all the new morphs amongst the colubrid & boid breeders AND I know how (but not why) upset the ol'timers get when a new name for a new morph is conceived but can't we call this thing something else?? A SNOW in virtually every other speices of SNAKE (except the Cal. King where the Snow is produced from breeding the Albino mutation into the Hypermelanistics - aka "Chocolate" is defined as an animal that is a visual Albino AND ANERYTHRISIC or AXANTHIC in the same specimen. These titles are generally given or "made up" by some "reptile/rodent feces management" expert like myself or one of my other snake buddies. My belief is this: it is your snake. If you took the 3 yrs. (usually more) to manipulate the gentics to make the first visible morph to display these two traits in the SAME ANIMAL, you deserve to call it what you want!! I've been working on raising up what I consider to be the only Dbl. Hets. for Snow & I've seen ALBINO "IVORIES (- a.k.a. Albino Leucistics)" mislabeled as Snows & now ALBINO FORMOSAS mislabeled as Snows. I have been led to believe the formosa is just an island mutation of the Monocled so WHERE is the Ax. or Anery. genes??
The formosa trait is more commonly known & accepted as the "white-sided" morph in colubrids (i.e. ratsnakes & kingsnakes), "Ivory" in some boids (Balls & Bloods), and the mislabeled "Leucistic" in Cobras, Burmese, & Rainbow Boas. Yeah, these snakes are mainly white but they are not PURE White and in most of these species, TRUE Leucistics ARE known (i.e. - Rainbow Boas & Ball Pythons proven - Cobras yet to be proven) & are generally proven to be incompatible w/ the animals that are NOT pure white. It is a very beautiful snake & a result of someone's hard work as it is man-made in a sense. I am not trying to steal your Thunder (even though EGOs are unheard of on this forum - hee hee) but would like to call the "other" snakes something else - guess its just one of my "....malities" kickin' in but if you breed any of the "SNOWs" from the three (maybe four as we are not sure how the German Albino "Leucistics" will line up w/ Diamond RBs T Albino "Leucistics" SNOW bloodlines (Albino X Axanthic, Albino X "Leucistic", & Albino X formosa), you'll get nothing but Albinos that are Dbl. Heterozygous. There will be a fourth version (Albino X pure white Leuc. - an unproven yet established trait I believe will operate on a different allele than the animals that have grey heads), & poss. a fifth Snow project where the Albino is a tyrosinase positive (a.k.a. Sunset) instead of the commonly available T negative Albino. Let's get this clarified now so it is not such a HUGE MESS yrs. later....Good luck & be careful...I believe formosas have some type of spastic/aggressive gene linked to that trait - I've heard they're much worse than the (normally patterned) Monocleds & the one I had lunged "backwards" like no Monocled I've ever seen before.....

Hey,

I agree with everything you say and usually when I say snow I add (patternless albino suphan) to it. However the breeder in Germany calls them snow so I don't have a lot to do about it

Thanks for the educative comments, though I am a genetics major it is always good to re-read .

Thanks
Yasin
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Perhaps Mr. Wuster will see this and give his professional opinion, but I've seen Formosa Island cobras referenced as monocleds on this forum many times and (if I'm correct, and according to Mr. Wuster's website if it's up to date, I am) Formosa's are not monocled cobras(N. kaouthia) but rather a locality phase of the Chinese cobra(N. atra). Just a conversation starter, not meant to start a war.
Worldwide Herp

I believe these snakes are not albino formosas, but rather albino suphans. Formosas generally have a hood pattern, while suphans are basically a cream-colored patternless monocled. There is even a darker area on the head of this snake where suphans develop pigment. I also wouldn't call it a snow, as it is pretty clearly albino, but like the other guy said, whoever produced it gets the naming rights.
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Chance Duncan
www.rivervalleyexotics.com

is what I meant (whoops) Ranting again.....just wanted to address the problem while it was early. Genetics major?? Can I ask you to sum up (generalize) your occupation?? Just curious about the application.....

If you're asking me about my major, it's actually biology. To be more specific, it's Life/Earth Science Education. I'm planning to be the dreaded high school biology teacher. What do you think, make detention involve hand feeding a freshly w.c. adult polylepis? That, or maybe 'clean up' after a 20' or so retic. Hmm...the possibilities are endless. Should keep em paying attention! (all said in jest, of course)
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Chance Duncan
www.rivervalleyexotics.com

>>If you're asking me about my major, it's actually biology. To be more specific, it's Life/Earth Science Education. I'm planning to be the dreaded high school biology teacher. What do you think, make detention involve hand feeding a freshly w.c. adult polylepis? That, or maybe 'clean up' after a 20' or so retic. Hmm...the possibilities are endless. Should keep em paying attention! (all said in jest, of course)
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>>Chance Duncan
>>www.rivervalleyexotics.com
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Chance Duncan
www.rivervalleyexotics.com

My job is not related to herp genetics at all but since genetics is my field and herpetology is my hobby I read everything I can find about snake genetics and morphs. So I know what a snow should be genetically speaking .

But again ''snow'' is the name that the breeder of this snake choose for some reason...
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We are the best GALATASARAY

I am quite familiar with the lineage of the albino suphan, but I was posed my question with regards to this statement from Mr. Jollif:
"I believe formosas have some type of spastic/aggressive gene linked to that trait - I've heard they're much worse than the (normally patterned) Monocleds & the one I had lunged "backwards" like no Monocled I've ever seen before....."
not sure if I copied and pasted the way it's supposed to be done or not but it just seemed Formosas in the above statement are referred to as monocleds(I realize they have now been crossed in w/kaouthia by several individuals to create various new morphs) but I was merely pointing out I believe that true formosas are actually N. atra not kaouthia. Again, not meant to start anything just conversation.
Worldwide Herp

That actually is something I'm curious about as well. I know suphans are a locality color varient of N. kaouthia, not sure whether the "suphensis" (or whatever it is) is taxonomically accepted or not. WW, care to weigh in? The last I had heard, or read, formosas were also a locality varient of kaouthia, but I've never seen anything definitive either way. Naja taxonomy seems to be an ever-changing field, and I'll be glad when things are (more or less) set in stone. At least not everything is N. n. somethingorother anymore!
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Chance Duncan
www.rivervalleyexotics.com