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hello, i live in fillmore california and my old property is home to hundreds if not thousands of coastal horny toads. i know they are rare and endangered and the property they call home is threatened by floods every year (i lost my old house to floods in jan '05). the city and state are thinking of not rebuilding the levee that protects the land. the population is so dense i caught (and released) 2 adults on my front porch is less than 48 hours. if you wish to help please write a letter or call to the state or the city of fillmore saying that you want them to do ALL they can to protect these wonderful animals! i will post the mailing addresses and phone numbers to both places. i dont want to see something that makes the south west such a unique place, disapear.

Where is the levee? On the river?
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In order to do any kind of proposal for protecting the area, the area needs to have a parcel number for specific identification. Is the area in question in farm land or undeveloped natural habitat? What is the acreage? If the population of Coast Horned Lizards have been uneffected by periodic flooding, then this may be part of their natural stability processes. Have there ever been any kind of population assessments on the Coast Horned Lizards in the area in question?

You identify a high density population in the area, hundreds if not thousands, how can you verify and validate this observation? As a biologist, this is some of the information I will need to provide any justification to the state for protecting the area. Let me know by email or on the forum.

Lester G. Milroy III
Conservation Biologist

I find Coastal Horned Lizards all the time, bike riding in the hills of azusa canyon, Corona area and aroud Lake elsinore. How is it tha they are endangerd?

These have been protected since 1980 and the gentlemen that responded previously (lester) is one of the main people with respect to the Costal's conservation in California. While there may be areas that do hold populations of Coastals, many areas have no coastals that once did. Just ask a 50 year old and they'll confirm that for you. There is a balck market and urban sprawl and other factors which I am sure Lester could give a better ewxplanation on, but it is clear that this specie has been diminishing over the years... So Costal's endangererd status is one of the tools to conserve these lizards for future generations, studies of all sort including repatriations are or have been looked at as well. So you may have named a few places where they can be found, but when we were growing up they were everywhere, the Los Angeles Riverbed for instance, you could find them everywhere....
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I see your point on the CHL, I think the ones that should be protected are DHL that were all over the Saltn sea area and are now M.I.A.

I find Coastal Horned Lizards all the time, bike riding in the hills of azusa canyon, Corona area and aroud Lake elsinore. and it sounds like there in the Filmore area to. How is it tha they are endangerd?

The San Diego Coast Horned Lizard is not listed as "Endangered" (even though it probably needs to be), at this time. The San Diego Coast Horned Lizard, Phrynosoma coronatum blainvillei, is listed as a "Species of Special Concern" at both the State and Federal level. It is found in only 5 counties of Southern California. The range of the SDCHL has decreased by over 70% due to loss of habitat pimarily due to development. I see the SDCHLs in many places too. I have 9 study sites in Southern California and have monitored the SDCHL populations for over 18 years. There are many "island habitats" where the populations are in severe decline because the area of the "island habitats" is less than a section (640 acres) and there are no links to other protected areas.

Habitat loss and habitat fragmentation continues to be a major cause for the declines of SDCHL populations. Token sightings are helpful in identifying population localities, but it does not protect the HLs.

The SDCHLs are protected from "take" and permits for scientific study and education are required to "handle" the HLs.

This is just a brief and hope it answers some questions.

Lester G. Milroy III
Conservation Biologist

I looked at the Cal. D.F.G. web cite and was unable to fine anything on protected horned lizards, do you have a link

Thanks

No, I do not have a link, but I do have the permits and the specifics for the MOU and the Study Descriptions. When I have more time, I will post the citation and reference information.

Lester G. Milroy III
Conservation Biologist

I'm only asking becouse in the D.F.G. web cite under the protected animals there are reptiles but no Coastal horned lizards, I think they need to be added to this list, under the the bag limit, it shows you can have two DHL, but if you go to the endangered/protected list I couldn't find the CHL on the list

I'm only asking becouse in the D.F.G. web cite under the protected animals there are reptiles but no Coastal horned lizards, I think they need to be added to this list, under the the bag limit, it shows you can have two DHL, but if you go to the endangered/protected list I couldn't find the CHL on the list

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Hi there,
I did some searching and came up with this. Hope it helps.

-Phil

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/hcpb/species/ssc/sscreptl/sscreptl.shtml

Good link on endangered wildlife, Phil. This one has our local coastals.

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/hcpb/cgi-bin/more_info.asp?idKey=ssc_tespp&specy=reptiles&query=Phrynosoma coronatum blainvillei

The destruction of habitat by overdevelopment of the San Diego area, complemented by the proliferation of non-native ants and other exotic life have resulted in a holocast of these magnificient creatures over recent decades. Very few places on the immediate coastal localities nearby have any Coastal Horned Lizards at all, and as far as I know the San Diego Lizards may not be common anywhere within San Diego's city limits presently.

I am eagerly awaiting the release of Jeff Lemm's book on the local herps.

Hey man,

Me too on the Jeff Lemm book. He was talking briefly about it last time the crew herped. Sounds like it will be good.

-Phil