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bloodbat Feb 20, 2006 07:54 PM

This "hatched" a few weeks ago. It did not hatch so much as got ripped out of its egg by me a bit prematurely. All the other eggs in the clutch died, including one that had died only days before being cut open, so it was a nice surprise to see this one alive. It was sketchy for a little while and I thought it might die, but it seems to be healthy and active now. It chased some crickets after this photo (taken last week sometime, maybe two weeks ago) but did not eat any of them. This baby is an F1.5, which I made up. It is the result of a CBB x WC. Specifically, it is a cross between son and mom.

I still need to figure out where I am going wrong since I am losing more eggs than hatching and the ones I cut open have dead babies in them. Most people improve their success over time; I am regressing. lol.

At the bottom, you can see that in a few weeks, I will have another clutch to screw up.


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^x^ Bloodbat ^x^
Monitors, monitors everywhere
and all the food they ate.
Monitors, monitors everywhere,
their parents loved to mate.

Replies (4)

hbailey Feb 20, 2006 09:49 PM

Dude, what happened to your females tail?

Still having problems with humidity in the incubator? I've been watching your post as I soon should have some eggs and I'm trying to plan for possible problems. Still trying to get a generator just in case I lose power etc...

Be sure to post what is causing these problems if you ever figure it out and congrats on at least one making it.
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hbailey

0.1 argus monitor

bloodbat Feb 20, 2006 10:15 PM

That depends on what you mean when you ask what happened to her tail.

If you mean why is her tail so short and broken, that is how it was when I rescued her 7 years ago. Her face is mutilated too. Yet, she is the greatest lizard I have ever had. Calm and tolerant of people and produces babies like crazy.

If you mean why is there a big gash on her tail, that is from the male. It happens sometimes when she mates with this male. The first time it happened, I almost took her for stitches. Instead, I left it and it healed all by itself (I did clean it and put neosporin on it one time). Now, I just leave it alone and it heals on its own.

I am not sure what the problem lies with the eggs. I reduced my humidity, per several people here. I also reduced my temps on my own since I suspected I was running them too high. I am still not sure, but I will keep playing with them until I get a better hatch rate. One thing that has been suggested is that perhaps the problem is with the quality of eggs produced by this female after 5 years. I do not buy that explanation, but I keep it in mind too. If I ever get around to tossing my male in with one of my other females to get fertilized eggs, I can see if there is a difference related to the females.
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^x^ Bloodbat ^x^
Monitors, monitors everywhere
and all the food they ate.
Monitors, monitors everywhere,
their parents loved to mate.

hbailey Feb 21, 2006 06:14 PM

I was asking about the gash. I assumed it was something like that, but you know about assuming.

I don't know if I buy the older than 5 years either. I would think that the eggs would degrade early as opposed to going near the end, but what do I know. The only way to test this is for you to throw the male to some younger females and change nothing else. I would be interested in the results of that, but like I said it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Has to be something with the end stage incubation.

Like I said, I'm just now starting to venture into breeding, so I know only what I've read. Hopefully, I'll have some argus hatch and add a little credibility to what I'm saying . Do you still have your argus? Also, you used to have a website, what's the address? Haven't seen it since japaleno hatched.

Good luck with your next clutch.
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hbailey

0.1 argus monitor

FR Feb 22, 2006 10:22 AM

The possible answer to your problem is on the other end of where your looking. ITs most likely not incubation. I have published and its been discussed on here a million times. That nesting is directly related to hatchrate.

Poor nesting results in poor hatchrate. The general cause is easy to understand. When nesting options are poor, the females hold the eggs longer. In other words, past due. The eggs cannot survive forever inside a female. When the eggs go past due, they become stressed, then die. Normally a female will force nest, that is, nest in inapproiate places, or dump the eggs. As you can imagine, being held past due, places undue stress on eggs(they do have a life you know) Stress causes impact on the immune system. This is not only true for monitors, but their eggs as well. A depressed immune system, means weak eggs, weak eggs equals low hatchrate. Bloodbat, this is very very simple.

My uneducated guess would be. Your eggs have a higher then normal bacteria and other pathogen count. An educated guess would be, have them tested.

Stressed eggs fail at stressful times in incubation. For instance, they cannot take the normal changes in temps/humidity, healthy eggs can. They also fail during "key" changes in development. For instance, after a period of diapause(a change). and just before hatching, when the monitor must convert from being supported by the egg to supporting itself. I know this, because I have experience(bad and good)

Can you imagine what bacteria fills unused lungs work like when asked to start to function.

So yes, its very understandable that you are not progressing, your looking in the wrong place. You have accepted that because your females laid eggs, they did that well. That is in question, as your results indicate otherwise.

To change the subject a little(not really as its directly related). You seem to forget there are levels of all sorts of accomplishments. You seem or at least try to talk like, your very knowledgeable. Yet, you practice being mediocre. As you gain experience with monitors, you move to different levels. This gives you different levels of goals and results. You should no longer have mediocre results. Mediocre defines as, barely adequate. It appears as hatching a baby or two is no longer adequate for you.
In other words, the old results do not work in higher levels of expectations and accomplishments. In a post below, you say your room works, you verify this with your results. Yet, your results are barely adequate(by your standards). So in fact, when your at a higher level of monitor keeping, getting eggs is not unexpected. Hatching eggs is expected. Also reproduction and combined longevity is now a goal, not a few clutches then death with a few hatchlings from many clutches. One baby is great for a beginer, but not great for someone with experience.

You must understand, these results are not about you being anything(good bad mean rude, etc etc) they are indicators of your husbandry. They determine what needs improvement and what doesn't. They are signs, to a keeper, that something is amiss. Consider, its not necessarily about methods, but continued application. Which means, you can have an "ideal" setup, but fail to maintain it properly. This also produces mediocre results. Of course a bad or poor setup commonly(best effort)produces mediorce results, with a slip in maintainence produces very poor results. Or great results are a rarity. The reality is, humans slip all the time. Methods for consistant results must include such slippage.

To the point, the problem with larger monitors is the size and quality of nesting. The monitors are bigger, so it becomes a challange to nest them properly. Your beginer outlook of, she laid eggs in the box means the nesting box is good. Is like I said, beginerlike. Your not a beginer any longer, you should now understand, the percentage of hatch determines the quality of nesting. In fact, the quality of your combined husbandry. Continued poor hatchrate indicates, conditions are poor. Thats all to simple.

Sir, its time you entertain the thought, that something is amiss in your conditions. And begin to attempt improvements. Or do you want to keep seeing dead babies, then showing them to us. I for one, would rather see nice fat healthy babies, then see ones you were surprised made it.

Consider the old saying, its a fool who does the same thing over and over, expecting different results. Then consider, with monitors we are all fools at one time or another. Bloodbat, its time for you to move on and become consistant.

lastly, improving your husbandry is to work on your husbandry, to make an effort of physical improvement. Not to talk to and agree with others on some forum. Sir, that does not improve anything. Its not agreeing or disagreeing, that matters, its results related to your effort that counts. FR

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