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simple husbandry tip - getting food temperature right

wftright Feb 20, 2006 09:15 PM

We often hear of snakes not eating f/t rodents and offer many suggestions for what could be wrong. I made a very obvious mistake last night that illustrated one reason why a snake may not eat. Those of you with more experience may not think of this one, but I wonder how many of my fellow newbies make this mistake and wonder why their ball python isn't eating.

I had put a rat fuzzy in a plastic bag and put the bag in moderately hot water to thaw the rat. I became involved in a few things but eventually took the rat to feed my ball python. She seems to respond to spinning, so I spun the rat by its tail in front of her hide. For a few weeks now, she's hit her food items within seconds of my using this technique. Last night, she wanted nothing to do with it.

At this point, I hadn't really touched the rat except by its tail. As I lifted the rat from the cage, the body swung against my hand and felt cooler than I would have thought. I shot the rat with my temperature gun and found the skin to be about 77 degrees F.

I rewarmed the rat in more hot water. I forgot to check the skin temperature when I finished, but it felt warmer to the touch. When I offered the rat again, she took it immediately.

In the past, I remember successfully feeding her mice that were about 88 degrees F skin temperature. I'm going to try to remember to check skin temperatures before feeding and see what temperature range she likes.

More good news is that this is the biggest single food item that she's ever eaten. I realize that I'm not being aggressive enough in giving her food, but I'm increasing her intake. She weighs 155 grams, and this rat was 20 grams.

Bill

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It's not how many snakes you have. It's how happy and healthy you can keep them.

Replies (6)

havic Feb 20, 2006 09:36 PM

Bill we have found the same thing with our bp's.
we use a hair dryer to warm them up right befor we offer it to them. if it is not 85 to 90 deg. they wont take it except 1 he would take it frozen if we let him lol. yes we use our temp gun to check the skin temp also.
this is the one that will take any thing (Frodo)

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wftright Feb 20, 2006 10:34 PM

It's neat to find them with such strong feeding responses. Mr. Frodo is a nice-looking snake.

Bill
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It's not how many snakes you have. It's how happy and healthy you can keep them.

bristen Feb 21, 2006 11:37 AM

I always aim for about 92F to 93F... I set water to 104F to warm them up once they are thawed out... I use RayTek MiniTemp to mesure water and rat skin temps.. works like a charm

Bristen.

wftright Feb 21, 2006 05:42 PM

I like hearing from someone who's worked out some of the numbers. Thanks for the tip!

Bill
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It's not how many snakes you have. It's how happy and healthy you can keep them.

toshamc Feb 21, 2006 05:51 PM

LOL - Balls hunt by sight, smell and heat but its often overlooked when people try switching a ball from live to f/t that you need to heat up the prey to roughly the same temperatures as live items. The body temperature of a live rat is about 98* so you should try to aim for a temp in the 90s. Once they get trained - then the heat is less necessary. About an hour before feeding, I pull mine out of the fridge (where they've defrosted overnight) and let them warm to room temp then stick them under the heat lamp for 10 minutes before feeding.
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Tosha

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vex Feb 21, 2006 05:53 PM

hey i am a newbie i got my ball python almost 2 weeks ago.i tried a few times to feed it frozen fuzzies and no luck.after reading this post i will give that a try thank you for sharing your idea vex

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