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Pet Owners vs. Herp Keepers

ymerejsregor Feb 21, 2006 12:35 PM

This question is simply a matter of curiosity. While I haven't noticed it on this board, some other sites on the net seem to have a strong divide between those who consider themselves as keepers and those who are "pet owners"-- usually with "pet owners" getting a bad rap. I for one, would definitely consider myself a pet owner, but I don't necessarily view that as bad. I enjoy handling Bruce, and having as much interaction as possible as possible, and he clearly seems to enjoy it as well. I simply can't see, FOR ME (others I know are different, which is fine), the enjoyment of never getting the time to interact one on one with my uro.

Just thought this might be interesting fodder for a thread.

JR

Have you met Bruce?
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Replies (8)

sunfox Feb 21, 2006 01:23 PM

I feel like I fall somewhere in between. I do breed my uros but I have no plans of turning it into a full-fledged business. My uros are my project, but also my pets. I enjoy raising the little babies my female provides, in the hopes of increasing the captive bred population of these animals so their wild bretheren won't have to be captured and forced to live in captivity.
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1.1 Mali Uromastyx (Ra, Isis)
1.0 Satanic Leaf-tail Gecko (Diablo)
0.1 Satanic Leaf-tail Gecko (R.I.P. Samael)

jeune18 Feb 21, 2006 02:56 PM

i don't consider myself either. i have members of my family (i already asked my dad if i could claim 13 dependents on my taxes and he said he didn't think the government would see it that way ) and with any family member you have to know each personality, boundaries and needs.

stew is an adult and doesn't like to be bothered, i respect that, but sometimes i can get him to like me for a minute or two by handfeeding him something yummy.

xoco is baby and i feel i still have a chance to make him like me or at least tolerate me, but i do it in small doses. he is slowly realizing that i give him food

helga is nice, can be held, doesn't like to be in public and under no circumstances, save the house burning down or the like, do you wake her up after she has gone to bed for the night.

hugo is my lover. i can do whatever i want and he comes back for more. i really don't think he would have lasted very long in the wild. he is too curious and nice and would have definitely been eaten.
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vonnie
***The first law of dietetics seems to be: if it tastes good, it's bad for you. — Issac Asimov ***

jaffar311 Feb 21, 2006 03:03 PM

That's an interesting discussion topic. I'm not really sure how to classify myself as well. I do not handle my Uro's at all (except for Techno once in a while) but I consider them my pets. I pet my dog and play with her but she wants me to do that and is bred to enjoy that so with her I would consider myself a "pet owner" but with the Uro's, I can't see them ever "wanting" to be held, even when it seems like Techno "wants" to be handled I think it is more him just wanting to get out of the tiny world he is trapped in. I enjoy just watching them and seeing them grow. I have yet to breed any Uro's so I'm nowhere near a breeder.
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1.1 Ornates (Lindsay Pike)(Doug Dix)
0.0.1 Mali
0.0.1 Egyptian
0.1 Weimaraner

Arredondo Feb 21, 2006 07:01 PM

A really good thread to toss out there. We pamper all of our reptiles but don't consider them "pets." While folks agonize over what to name them & swoon over how cute & adorable they may be, in reality these are very primitive & unthinking critters that may TOLERATE you but don't feel positive & loving thoughts for you. I'll keep the "pet" label for my kat, Claymore. But, each to his own, as long as you take good care of them, right?

uromagnus Feb 22, 2006 05:34 PM

I consider Luca my pet who just happens to be a Herp. I look fwd to feeding him, rubbing him under his jaw, how he comes outta his hide when he hears me or stops going in when I walk in the room. He likes me to hand feed him and jumps into my hand or onto my arm when he feels like it. I know he is a Uro so for his well being I do not take him out of his enclosure often or overly handle him. It's what what is best for him. I enjoy how he dives into his dish when I put blueberries there or frozen veggies (thawed) and not just his greens. Yup... he is my pet. I do not have to walk him and I can be outta town for a day or 2 and he is just right for me. I could not ask for a better little guy. He IS MY DOG!. ha ha. I always wanted a dog/puppy but could not care for one due to work... but now I do not even think of having one. Luca is "IT"!
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150-200 tropical fish

2 African Clawed Frogs (1 olive and 1 albino)

Luca - male Ornate Uromastyx via Audrey Vanderlinden

- Mike
Morris Cty, NJ

- in memory of Magnus (male Uromastyx Macfadyeni)
he will always be my little boy

Arredondo Feb 22, 2006 06:57 PM

Your response is so cool. I believe the difference in opinions comes from those of us who keep many herps vs those who keep a few. Those who maintain a small collection can concentrate their efforts & affection better than folks with a long list of menagerie & consequently their people/reptile relationships are magnified. Something to be said for that!!

uromagnus Feb 23, 2006 02:31 PM

I totally agree with you. I have 1 little guy that I focus all my attention on. And... he gets lotsa attention!!!
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150-200 tropical fish

2 African Clawed Frogs (1 olive and 1 albino)

Luca - male Ornate Uromastyx via Audrey Vanderlinden

- Mike
Morris Cty, NJ

- in memory of Magnus (male Uromastyx Macfadyeni)
he will always be my little boy

-ryan- Feb 24, 2006 11:30 AM

My whole family and I see my reptiles as pets, in that we love watching them do their thing, and whenever any one of them comes down ill, we do all that we can to care for them. We also understand each of their needs and what they will tolerate.

For instance, my bearded dragon had a hard life. I got him as an adult from a guy that was keeping him in a 20 gallon tank along with a much larger adult dragon, at least one or two dragons of his size (roughly 16", and two small monitors (ackies, I think)! That was horrible, and he was my first experience with lizards, so I didn't realize how bad that was. So anyways, over the past 4 years he's been in my care, we've come to understand a few things about him. He is very suceptible to parasitic infections, especially if he is put under stress. He also has damage to his kidney/liver. He has had it since I got him due to poor diet and husbandry, and my stupidity when I first got him didn't help much either. Because of this he has a lot of little quirks, such as pickiness to the point of anorexia (which in his old age I sometimes have to correct with a few feedings of babyfood/pedialyte mixture). We're also aware that he is slowly dying, but he is a little trooper and somehow he seems to show improvement from his conditions everyday. He's definately a special needs reptile, but I've found that offering him good husbandry and lots of choices has helped him a lot.

My uromastyx was a rescue. I got her a little over two years ago, and she is overweight, and has burn scars. Despite all that she was put through at her past home, she has only had one run-in with parasites, and that was an infection of pinworms that we had to deal with. She surprised even my vet when she lived through it, because she is such an old lizard (I assume from what I have learned of her previous owners, that she was imported as an adult sometime in the early 90's or late 80's). She's a tough little lizard, and she used to have this weird thing. She would only poop outside of her cage. It took two years to break her of this, but now she is content to poop in her cage, and she seems less tolerant of handling now, which to me is a sign that she is healthier.

My Leopard gecko I got from a reliable source over a year ago, and he has been healthy every since. Nothing much to say about this except that he doesn't tolerate being handled, and he is fun to watch hunting in his 70 gallon palace.

My dad's russian tortoise is still a baby. We got him from LLLreptile and are very pleased with him. He's healthy as an ox, eats like crazy every day, and he doesn't like being touched, at all. Which is a sign that he is healthy. When we have to pick him up, he sucks himself into his shell and hisses loudly. He's a great little guy. He also changed my father's perception of reptilian pets. When we got him he had the idea in his head that we would be able to let the tortoise out and play with him, but now he realizes that tortoises like to be left alone. We're building his big indoor enclosure now, and this summer we're going to construct an outdoor enclosure for him that will have all sorts of delicious foods for him to eat.

My baby ball python is my latest pet. He is afraid of people for obvious reasons, but doesn't attempt to bite. He eats like a mad man (F/T mice), and we're planning on building or buying him a cage of roughly 3'x1.5'x1.5' to live out his life when he gets larger.

So I'm a herp keeper in that I understand that reptiles don't like to be pet and held, but I know which reptiles are better at being handled (like the bearded dragon). I'm a pet owner because I know my pets like any person knows their cat or dog. I know all of their little quirks. I know what they do in the morning, afternoon, and night. I know what they like, dislike, etc. and I know how to keep them healthy, even with reptiles like my bearded dragon that has so much going against him.

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