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So I thought I would share.

My 2001 albino eastern kingsnake

The Montgomery Co. Maryland eastern kingsnake

An old mexican black kingsnake

A possible het albino

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Bob Bull
1.3 L.g.getula MD Locality
3.3 L.g.g GA locality
2.3 L.g.g albino
1.4 L.g.g het albino
1.2 L.g.g P-het albino
1.0 L.g.floridana peanutbutter
0.2 L.g.f. het peanutbutter
1.0 L.g.f. N.E. axanthic
1.0 L.g.nigrita
1.1 L.t.hondurensis het hypo-melanistic
0.1 L.t.hondurensis hypo-melanistic

nicei esp. like that nitida/nigritus whatcha pairing him with? very nice,,,,,,,,thomas

Thanks Thomas, I see we had the same idea tonight. I bought an adult pair of nigrita in the late 90's the female died a couple ofyears ago and I just keep him around because he reminds me of my first kingsnake from high school. He has a wicked scar on his neck that healed into a white/unpigmented blaze. I'm an old softie.
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Bob Bull
1.3 L.g.getula MD Locality
3.3 L.g.g GA locality
2.3 L.g.g albino
1.4 L.g.g het albino
1.2 L.g.g P-het albino
1.0 L.g.floridana peanutbutter
0.2 L.g.f. het peanutbutter
1.0 L.g.f. N.E. axanthic
1.0 L.g.nigrita
1.1 L.t.hondurensis het hypo-melanistic
0.1 L.t.hondurensis hypo-melanistic

Nice. I should have some pics coming of my easterns.
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
www.freewebs.com/mikesnake
www.freewebs.com/badyear2005

Bob ! That MD male looks stunning !!!! Dont forget me this year buddy Maybe we can do some swappin'??? How big is your Albino male ? He looks prety nice.

Keith
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Here are a few pics of the DC Kings as hatchlings. These are F1's and dont hail too terribly far from where your male MD came from. I thought the one male on the blue background really reminded me of your big MD male. Maybe it was the crisscross on the back or something. Anyway he was the best looking male of the bunch and he died ! In fact of the 8 babies only one pair survived. I sent 2 males out to friends and they died and the rest died at my house. I got them after about 7 weeks after hatching and they were fairly slim already. They are maybe the most stubborn snake Ive ever come across in regards too feeding. Im hesitant to breed my pair lol....not really. What do you think is the most abundant and likey food source for Kings in the MD/VA area ? Fence Lizards ?
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Hatchling female (one of only 2 females of the 8 snakes) The other female had a defect or an injury and she died about 3 weeks after I got her. This female has had the cool thick red/orange color. Its pretty much faded now but its still odd with that one fat crossbar around her neck.

The male I thought looked like your Monty MD male... RIP

The surving male. He had the most interesting crosbars of the bunch. All of them had razor thin crossbars but this guy. He was not as bright and clean as the others either but now he is a black and bright cream/white beasty.

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would probably be young rodents and garter/ringneck young. There are fence lizrds, blue-tail skinks and broadhead skinks in the area, but they are not what I would call abundant. The area in question is very urbanized and rodents (mice, rats, voles, and chipmunks) are everywhere. I kept a pair of young last year but the young male died at about 2 months old for seemingly no reason. He had eaten 2 pinks the night before and was dead the next morning. Total bummer because his pattern was near perfect. Jolles got the other pair and as far as I know they are doing fine for him. All four hatchlings ate frozen thawed right after their first shed. The young female I kept is eating 4 large pinks each feeding and is equivelant to the size of Will's 2005 GAs. I'll post a pic of her when I get home.

I was worried about the old male, because he had not eaten since mid-July. I offered him 2 mice and a rat for his first meal and he ate the mice so tonight I'll offer him some more. The female from you will come out of the cold this weekend. You're down for a pair. Everybody see that, Keith gets first choice of any Maryland hatchlings.
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Bob Bull
1.3 L.g.getula MD Locality
3.3 L.g.g GA locality
2.3 L.g.g albino
1.4 L.g.g het albino
1.2 L.g.g P-het albino
1.0 L.g.floridana peanutbutter
0.2 L.g.f. het peanutbutter
1.0 L.g.f. N.E. axanthic
1.0 L.g.nigrita
1.1 L.t.hondurensis het hypo-melanistic
0.1 L.t.hondurensis hypo-melanistic

ha HA! now your talkin 1st pick in the Draft. I feel like the Texans getting ready to select Reggie Bush lol. Thanks Boblooking forward to seeing the little beasties.

Keith
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That male is very typical with the crossed band and the 1-2 broken chains about 2/3 of the way towards the tail. My 2005 female is patterned similarly as was the male that died. The female from you also has some broken chains in the same area. These animals also seem to have a check on the first band that resembles the top of a heart almost an "m" shape.

I think the male albino is pushing 58" but I'll serpwidget him later and let you know. He's still not as large as two of my het females, they are monsters.
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Bob Bull
1.3 L.g.getula MD Locality
3.3 L.g.g GA locality
2.3 L.g.g albino
1.4 L.g.g het albino
1.2 L.g.g P-het albino
1.0 L.g.floridana peanutbutter
0.2 L.g.f. het peanutbutter
1.0 L.g.f. N.E. axanthic
1.0 L.g.nigrita
1.1 L.t.hondurensis het hypo-melanistic
0.1 L.t.hondurensis hypo-melanistic

You breeding the albinos/hets this year? I might be interested in a baby amel if it was at the right price.
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
www.freewebs.com/mikesnake
www.freewebs.com/badyear2005

I'll be pairing him with 2hets and with a couple of other females. We'll see what happens.

How about the MD male with an albino female? That could be interesting.
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Bob Bull
1.3 L.g.getula MD Locality
3.3 L.g.g GA locality
2.3 L.g.g albino
1.4 L.g.g het albino
1.2 L.g.g P-het albino
1.0 L.g.floridana peanutbutter
0.2 L.g.f. het peanutbutter
1.0 L.g.f. N.E. axanthic
1.0 L.g.nigrita
1.1 L.t.hondurensis het hypo-melanistic
0.1 L.t.hondurensis hypo-melanistic

Well I'm actually not a fan of the thin banded ones. That's why I only have GA Easterns.

You have any locality info on the albinos? I assume not.
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
www.freewebs.com/mikesnake
www.freewebs.com/badyear2005

Just the impossible to prove NERD story that everyone else has heard. I have 3 "lines" of albinos 2 lines are from the nerd stock and one line that I think are floridana crosses which I will thouroughly test breed before even considering selling.

I acquired 2.2 albinos and hets from Tom Chiang and 1.1 from Terry Dunham These animals are all from the Nerd line. Some people question the authenticity of these animals but I do not. I'll be breeding these this year and I hope to have some albinos and hets for sale this fall.

I also acquired a group of albs, hets, and Phets from a third party that says they are from Dunham stock. I will test breed these animals this year and next to determine their status. If they don't breed true I will euthanize the young and place the adults in the local schools so that they will not be used to produce mutts.

Actually I'm very ruthless as a breeder and I'll cull anything thing that doesn't meet my standards. If I wouldn't want to own it I won't sell it.
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Bob Bull
1.3 L.g.getula MD Locality
3.3 L.g.g GA locality
2.3 L.g.g albino
1.4 L.g.g het albino
1.2 L.g.g P-het albino
1.0 L.g.floridana peanutbutter
0.2 L.g.f. het peanutbutter
1.0 L.g.f. N.E. axanthic
1.0 L.g.nigrita
1.1 L.t.hondurensis het hypo-melanistic
0.1 L.t.hondurensis hypo-melanistic

I agree with you Bob the Albino's at this point are legit to me. There will never be any clear answer but in all honesty just about every mutation out now is hardly traceable. I know Terry D researched the hell out of them and more things pointed to them being Eastern Kings than anything else. Im eager to see how Will's hets that he got from breeding GA X Albino. I would love to see a big ass Albino Eastern King with fat Georgia chains!

Keith
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Thin banded Easterns are found all over GA....