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just wondering what happened to the indy fans. This forum seems to have leaped into other categories. Does anyone have any NEW news about Indies??? or has everyone found something else to interest them

This forum is "primarily" about indgio's however, there has "always" been talk of other interesting snakes such as spilotes & mu's.
I personally like the variety.

Eric
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If Jesus is your co-pilot, you'd better change seats!

Although we are passionate about indigos, this is a "dry" community and w/in that community, we have many interests and things to share...variety is the spice of life.

Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center
Lake Forest, IL

>>This forum is "primarily" about indgio's however, there has "always" been talk of other interesting snakes such as spilotes & mu's.
>>I personally like the variety.
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>>Eric
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>>If Jesus is your co-pilot, you'd better change seats!
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Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, IL

It's great to hear about other large colubrids from time to time.
I like the change of pace this time of year, as it helps me to maintain my sanity while awaiting my female Drys to begin oviposition...

Jeff
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Jeff Snodgres
University of Arkansas
snodgresjeffreys@uams.edu
501.603.1947

Yep,It's cool to see and hear about other snakes on this forum.
Kinda breaks the monotony. Here is a New Mexican Milksnake {L.T. Celanops} Sighthunter and I caught out in West texas. It was sure cool to see this candycane in the middle of the road!!
Barry

It is almost time for some type of herping adventure. The other snakes in question were large colubrids but that does get me thinking about the desert. She looks good make us some snake pups.
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"Life without risk is to merely exist."

Haven't herped the desert in awhile......with snake folks..

If you go to Localityrosys.com you can get in on a trip to Borrego. There is a good size group meeting out there. I can send you some info when I get home.
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"Life without risk is to merely exist."

I totally agree with Rob and others,

Although this is a DRY forum, the people that tend to own Drys are ALLREADY marching to the beat of a different drummer.They choose,for the most part,not to breed snakes or keep snakes that are overly *popular* in herpetoculture,snakes that have been morphed into oblivion, or snakes that are so common as to make them in some ways generic(My opinion only, dont get mad guys!)

In short..Dry keepers often keep snakes that DO NOT have a PROVEN methoology for captive maintenance and breeding and for whom there are not easily avialble "breeding formulas" that make breeding a step by step, connect the dots process.
Im not saying that Dry keepers dont keep boas, pythons and other colubrids that have been bred repeatedly. We do. But DRY keepers are like the guy at the tropical fish store.....staring into tanks **LOOKING** for something different that ISNT like what everyone else has.SEARCHING for something diffrent.

Enter the Spilotes!
Enter the Mussuruna!
Enter the Gilas!
Enter the Mexican Beaded Lizards!
And a HOST of other neat reptiles that most people dont gravitate towards because they are either not available, not well known, not currently "Popular" or trendy, or not easy to keep.

I personally LOVE the fact that Dry keepers keep other stuff. I stare on wonderment at Dougs Mussuruna, and my jaw hits the ground when someone posts spilotes pics. Esp the high yellow ones.

Frankly, 'Id like to see people post the neat OTHER animals that they keep, be it mammals or amphibs or birds.

Viva' la Variety!

Sincerely,

Fred Albury
Aztec Reptiles

I would like to go really far out there and see if I could come about maybe a pair of Sibon (maybe even S. lamari if I really want what people do not keep). Feeding would be a fun project...

But I would certainly be happy to have an Imantodes or two (or one of these seven I found in a tree one night)

Not an Indigo but it is still a Dry........

Ok, what's the scoop there? Too many boa babies?

Doug T

I had a litter of boas last night and unfortunately I had some stillborn. The best looking ones were still born and I didn't want them to go to waste. I still have 5 premies and they have a good chance of pulling through.......

I have been out of town on business and will be home next week. There is a female lemonhead that just came in and a pic may be posted.
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"Life without risk is to merely exist."

Um...the BCC and BCI lover in me cringes at this pic. Did you produce it?
Fred

Yeah....I knew some folks would cringe seeing this pic. I dare not post it in the Boa forum, I might get flamed if I did. That was the first time I had ever fed a snake to another snake.

I produced a small litter of boas and those were the still born. I have 5 left and all are doing great and hopefully will not end up being cribo food!!!

>>just wondering what happened to the indy fans. This forum seems to have leaped into other categories. Does anyone have any NEW news about Indies??? or has everyone found something else to interest them.

Well, we all know they poop a lot and .. . they poop a lot.

... and they're one of the coolest snake species.

I'm sure I've forgotten a thing or two

There ARE a few other cool snake species too.
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Thane

03 male spilotes from dean, roughly 8' now. these guys are probably my all time favs due to their athletic grace & high activity level, unexcelled as display animals!

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i remember when he used to work out on baby corns. i see he's moved up a couple weight classes. haha... he's all man, all the time no doubt. keep up the good work brett!

Yes this is an Indigo forum. Spilotes a long time ago actualy were thought to be in the Dry complex. Spilotes and Pseustes are from Central and South America and are large racer type colubrids and it is hard to figure out where they actualy fit.
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"Life without risk is to merely exist."

I think this has become the default forum for all of the largest colubrids. I see the cross-over interest as normal and this place seems the natural place for it.

What we really need to stir this forum up is some new lines of rubidus or some caudomaculatus. Yeah, that's what we need.

Doug T

I am acquiring at least two more pairs, with the possibility of another four pairs, from Europe. They should make a nice addition to the 4.4 I already have...

Best regards,

Jeff
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Jeff Snodgres
University of Arkansas
snodgresjeffreys@uams.edu
501.603.1947

Well done Jeff

DT

Where did you get your current pairs from, anyway? I haven't heard of anybody else in the states breeding them in recent years (and I have been keeping an ear out)? Did you get your rubidus when they could still be imported as WC, or are they all captive bred?
Robert

All of the D. m rubidus in my collection were produced in captivity. I was simply lucky enough to look in the right place at the right time, as several were acquired from folks with single specimens, here in the US and Europe, and I acquired a group of 2.2 from a breeder wishing to focus on D. couperi only.
You might be surprised to learn there were quite a few D. m rubidus being produced in the US during the 80's and early 90's, but most of the folks working with them moved along to other projects, as there just didn't appear to be an interest in the ssp. at the time. If memory serves me correctly, Bill Corwin, David Neske, John Rossi, Chuck Elliot and a few others produced D. m rubidus at one time or another.

Best regards,

Jeff
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Jeff Snodgres
University of Arkansas
snodgresjeffreys@uams.edu
501.603.1947

Think you could score me some of those?

Doug T
Doug Taylor Reptiles

I was unable to come up with enough bling bling to buy off a few interior officials! LOL (Very BAD joke)

Actually, Profauna (The wildlife Department of Venezuela) is opening up a bit to the idea of wildlife exportation, but securing permits still entails a great deal of time and finances. Keep in mind, over 30% of the flora and fauna within the Bolivarian Republic is protected under the IUCN and the percentage is expected to grow astronomically, as well over 280,000 hectares are lost each year to deforestation.
Anyhow, it’s possible we could see a few D. caudomaculatus enter the country, most likely through Guyana, but I wouldn’t hold my breath.
I have to wonder about those “calico” or “pie-bald” cribos the late Lloyd Lemke had, as I believe they could very well have been D. caudomaculatus, as the species had yet to be described at the time.
Oh well, guess I will have to give Jose Louis Mendez-Arocha a call.. ;0)

Best regards,

Jeff
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Jeff Snodgres
University of Arkansas
snodgresjeffreys@uams.edu
501.603.1947

We'll do a climbing/herping travel extravaganza through Venezuela. Of course with as popular as our country is in Venezuela, we'll have to wear clothes with Australian or Canadian flags.

Either way, it looks like we missed the boat on Piebald cribos... but I'm not missing the boat on piebald mussuranas...

Doug T

Doug Taylor Reptiles

While there, we can go for a Humbolt summit!
Here's a photo of a buddy of mine putting on the crampons for glacier travel during the summit push of Humbolt. The second photo is from the 16,377ft summit at day break.
Just a little piece of Venezuela most tourist don't get to see..

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Jeff Snodgres
University of Arkansas
snodgresjeffreys@uams.edu
501.603.1947

I forgot about that part of climbing. How about we hire that Pakistani Helicopter Guy and just fly to the summit. It's like 9000 feet short of his best effort. We can pull a few boulders just to call it a "climbing" trip

Doug T

>>While there, we can go for a Humbolt summit!
>>Here's a photo of a buddy of mine putting on the crampons for glacier travel during the summit push of Humbolt. The second photo is from the 16,377ft summit at day break.
>>Just a little piece of Venezuela most tourist don't get to see..
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>>Jeff Snodgres
>>University of Arkansas
>>snodgresjeffreys@uams.edu
>>501.603.1947

Considering the weight I have gained over the winter, that might not be a bad idea!

Jeff
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Jeff Snodgres
University of Arkansas
snodgresjeffreys@uams.edu
501.603.1947

I've been focusing on weights, the powerlifting trio specifically, so my cardio, weight and technical climbing ability are all suffering right now.

I'd rather just go hunt some caudomaculatus anyway.

dt

>>Considering the weight I have gained over the winter, that might not be a bad idea!
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>>Jeff
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>>Jeff Snodgres
>>University of Arkansas
>>snodgresjeffreys@uams.edu
>>501.603.1947

We need to get rubidus bred and kept by more people in the states. I know there's got to be a bunch of people who want to keep em. You know you've got a good snake collection when you go to your local zoo's reptile house and say "Ah, this is corny. All these snakes are common and boring! I got better stuff in my basement!"
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Anthony Chodan

www.gradeareptiles.com

I have really enjoyed working with the rubidus and would like to see more of them in the hands of capable herpetoculturist.
There are quite a few here in the states being kept as pets and I have been fortunate enough in tracking a few of these down, but there are more out there, as the species was produced on a somewhat regular basis in the 1980's, by at least three breeders that I am aware of, who have since left herpetoculture for other pursuits.
Give me a call when you have a chance, as it has been a while since we last spoke...

Best regards,

Jeff
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Jeff Snodgres
University of Arkansas
snodgresjeffreys@uams.edu
501.603.1947

I almost never post here, but I always read this forum specifically because of the variety. My understanding has always been that the species discussed here were (to varying degrees) related to the indigo.