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RE: antonm, in case you didn't see this message below:

Jinx Jul 27, 2003 09:39 AM

You have not accomplished anything but a bad example for anyone purchasing reptiles and/or amphibians from your store.

One of the main reasons why negligent pet store owners house multitudes of species together: The customers see it, they want the same thing in their own home, so they will buy more.

You said that territory problems don't arise because the animals aren't in your care long. What about when they leave your care, possibly stressed and ill from the conditions they were kept in? And with new owners who may have the impression that a ludicrous set up like the one you have is commonplace when keeping herptiles? Not only are you irresponsible of the animals in your care, but this kind of behaviour also contributes to the millions of reptiles and amphibians that die in people's homes because the pet store guy set a bad example.

The problem here is that the animals are not in this stressful set up for long, so you aren't holding yourself responsible for the impact from keeping them in that crammed cage.

Do you tell your customers that a set up like yours is not recommended? If you do, hypocrisy is not something people take a shine to.

Anoles are territorial, and I have not simply "become an expert on it because read it in a book." I've been keeping anoles (A carolinensis and A. sagrei) for going on nine years, and they are very territorial. I have seen A. sagrei viciously attack gecko species as large as Gekko ulikovskii, and these were *small* anoles.

I challenge you: Name the species you have in this set up. All of them. Latin names. Several people on this board have asked you for it before, what's the harm? If your set up is so successful, then you've got nothing to hide or lie about. Latin names of all the species in that 2-foot cube, then we'll see what exactly you've been talking about.

Christina Miller
Herptiles.org

Replies (7)

antonm Jul 27, 2003 01:56 PM

We dont sell animals to those who are not educated. We reserve all rights to deny a sale based on anything even personal speculation. There is no commission or any of that. All the managers are behind each and every employee if they feel that the customer will not be able to take proper care of the pet or does not have sufficient experience to. They can yell all they want but they just get escorted out of the store, plain and simple.

Jinx Jul 27, 2003 02:08 PM

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Christina Miller
Herptiles.org

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1.0 Iguana iguana - Draco
1.0 Anolis carolinensis - Duke
0.1 Eublepharis macularis - Ocelot
1.0 Cosymbotus platyurus - Baron
1.0 Cynops orientalis - Hyper
1.0 Leiocephalus schreibersi - Turbo

Jinx Jul 27, 2003 02:12 PM

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Christina Miller
Herptiles.org

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1.0 Iguana iguana - Draco
1.0 Anolis carolinensis - Duke
0.1 Eublepharis macularis - Ocelot
1.0 Cosymbotus platyurus - Baron
1.0 Cynops orientalis - Hyper
1.0 Leiocephalus schreibersi - Turbo

azureus06 Jul 27, 2003 06:24 PM

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azureus06 I keep: leopard geckos, giant day geckos, gold dust geckos, stenodactylus geckos, crested geckos, anoles, red eyed tree frogs, green tree frogs, golden mantellas, painted mantellas, dendrobates azureus azureus06

Jinx Jul 29, 2003 09:40 AM

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Christina Miller
Herptiles.org

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1.0 Iguana iguana - Draco
1.0 Anolis carolinensis - Duke
0.1 Eublepharis macularis - Ocelot
1.0 Cosymbotus platyurus - Baron
1.0 Cynops orientalis - Hyper
1.0 Leiocephalus schreibersi - Turbo

azureus06 Jul 27, 2003 05:17 PM

...the more people who mix species, the more 'newbies' will think its alright...then soon, everyone will mix rediculas combos, and will soon have dead animals. SO, to prevent 'newbies' from mixing, we should prevent 'experts' from mixing aswell...
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azureus06 I keep: leopard geckos, giant day geckos, gold dust geckos, stenodactylus geckos, crested geckos, anoles, red eyed tree frogs, green tree frogs, golden mantellas, painted mantellas, dendrobates azureus azureus06

antonm Jul 28, 2003 05:27 PM

I'm in no way saying that mixing species properly is an easy task. From what I posted I didnt think that I was making it out to be. Conditions and so on have to be just right so as you said it is no newbie task. Sorry if thats what it sounded like I was under the impression that the tough care would ward away non-expert keepers.

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