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Here are some updated pic of our Pastel & Spider Het Piebald.

Enjoy,
Greg
Graziani Reptiles

Are you sure that thing isn't a low white pastel pied - LOL - that is one wicked pattern!!!!

They still look awesome - thanks for sharing!
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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

11.42.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi - yeah I know but my kids love the book)
0.1.0 Bredls Python (Smurfette)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.0 frogs rescued from pool skimmer

What i really am wondering , is whats up with both of them????

The Spider has some "alien" spots , havent seen to many like that. cool stuff and good luck

Derek Federico

Normals, Pastels, Spider's along with other types of ball pyhtons have shown varying very odd patterns when mixed with the Pied Gene.. Regular het's aka Marker's show some odd traights it's by no stretch of the imagination that the pied genetics would have some cool affects when mixed with co-dom patterns.. It doesn't happen all the time, there are totally normal looking het pieds but when it does affect the pattern the effect is usually awesome....

I am just wondering how far a long this project is, I heard from a good source that two other breeders tried it but got null eggs..Is this true?? It was hear say so I'd really like to seperate fact from fiction.....

Greg, great looking animals you produced there, and I for one can't wait to see what a S'pied'er (trademarked DMS '06, lol j/k)looks like.

Also Greg, just wondering if you had any siblings for either clutch that were Spider het pieds, and Pastels het pied that are similar?

But what I'm really posting about is this, these animals are further proof that a recessive het paired with another visible het morph in the same animal can cause the recessive gene to be expressed!

Genotype = genetic make up of the animal
Phenotype = visible look of the animal

So basically the genotype of a Het Pied is Het Pied. The phenotype then would be Normal (consensus about ringers being 100% het pied hasn't been reached).

Now the cool thing about the two pics posted above is that the genotypes of them is "Het Pied/Het Spider" and "Het Pied/Het Pastel", but here is the kicker, both animals are showing a change in the phenotype for all three traits, meaning that the recessive gene's are most likely being expressed, resulting in a Phenotype of "Spider/Het. Pied" and "Pastel/Het. Pied".

This is far from concrete proof, will need many breedings and good records to prove it, but definitely seems to be pointing in that direction.

Well, thanks for sharing Greg, and those pictures definitely have me thinking.

-Dan

Yes,that is extremely interesting...similarly,there were also the pastels het axanthic that exibited the silver look as well.

Thanks for the pics Greg. Beautiful critters!
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Charles Glaspie

Tanstaafl:
"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch".
An acronym created by my favorite author Robert A. Heinlein.

Yep that's the coolest part about the designer morphs of balls, a mutation that is normally recessive can create visible hets(in conjunction with certain other morphs) because one trait allows the other to be seen.

It is just really cool to see how they affect each other and and gives a sneak preview of what the homo. recessive will look like combined with the other trait.

Very cool indeed about the pastels het axanthics, I hadn't heard about that as of yet. Do you know where any pics or discussion is about them? I would love to check that out.

Thanks again for the reply, and talk to ya later.

-Dan

I can not wait to see a pied-spider.
That is going to me AMAZING.

And then comes the pied-bumblebees.

S'PIED'ER!S'PIED'ER!S'PIED'ER!S'PIED'ER!S'PIED'ER!S'PIED'ER!S'PIED'ER!S'PIED'ER!S'PIED'ER!S'PIED'ER!S'PIED'ER!S'PIED'ER!S'PIED'ER!S'PIED'ER!S'PIED'ER!S'PIED'ER!S'PIED'ER!S'PIED'ER!S'PIED'ER!S'PIED'ER!S'PIED'ER!S'PIED'ER!S'PIED'ER!S'PIED'ER!