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My next chameleon

veiledbrian Feb 24, 2006 06:37 PM

I'm currently attempting to sell off a part of my comic book collection to buy some new chameleons. In the mean time, I'm still completely unsure of which species I want to get into next. I want to buy another male veiled so I can continue my work with them. But I'm torn between panthers, jacksons or rudis. I like the idea of jacksons and rudis due to their live bearing. I want panthers because they look really nice. I want to continue breeding with what ever species I choose. The panthers cost alot, and they take forever to incubate. I would prefer mt merus over xantholophus. I'm so confused. I want nosy bes and mt merus......Can anyone help me? lol

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0.2 Chameleo Chameleo Calyptratus
0.1.0 Leopard Gecko
1.2.0 Dead Chameleons

Replies (16)

beardiedude Feb 24, 2006 07:24 PM

I would definately choose the jacksons chameleons due to some of the reasons that you posted. On the other hand, i dont think that a mermontuas would be a good choice for you to start of with. While jacksons chameleons are ingeneral one of the easiest of chameleons to keep, mermontuas is VERY advanced. They stress VERY easy, prefer cooler temps than jacksonii, and are all wild caught. Even with proper medication, diet, and enviornment there is no quarantee of sucess.

Start of with a jacksonii and then work your way up the the ladder. Maybe a rudis would be a good choice after some experience with jacksonii!

If you just want a casual, classy chameleon go with the panthers. They are prolific breeders, VERY popular, and make great display animals.

The decision is up to you. DO extensive research and decide which chameleon would best suit your life style. We cant decide for you because we really dont know you!
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eric

gomezvi Feb 25, 2006 12:29 AM

>>I would definately choose the jacksons chameleons due to some of the reasons that you posted. On the other hand, i dont think that a mermontuas would be a good choice for you to start of with. While jacksons chameleons are ingeneral one of the easiest of chameleons to keep, mermontuas is VERY advanced. They stress VERY easy, prefer cooler temps than jacksonii, and are all wild caught. Even with proper medication, diet, and enviornment there is no quarantee of sucess.

Tell me Beardiedude, what PERSONAL, first hand experience do you have with ANY of the the chameleons that you mention? Yes, I know you've researched, but do you have any real first hand experience with these chameleons to offer a reccommendation, let alone an opinion?
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Victor Gomez
gomezvi@yahoo.com

beardiedude Feb 25, 2006 11:09 AM

Hey,

You are right i have no personal experience with veilds or jacksons...at all! I am speaking from what i have read and what i have heard. I was trying to help him out okay? Did i state that i had experience in them. NO. Im just saying my opinon which i am allowed to do on this site!

He asked for our help and i pitched in mine. If it bothers you...fine, im just trying to help. It joesnt looke like veiledbrian was bothered with what i said, only you are.

Please stop trying to argue with me dude. Im just trying to help him with his decission.
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eric

veiledbrian Feb 25, 2006 12:58 PM

I was only asking for opinions.

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0.2 Chameleo Chameleo Calyptratus
0.1.0 Leopard Gecko
1.2.0 Dead Chameleons

vegasbilly Feb 25, 2006 03:17 PM

An opinion of an opinion can be a dangerous thing! Its best to qualify the information being presented so the recipient can assess the veracity of the knowledge being put forth.

Bill

gomezvi Feb 25, 2006 03:25 PM

>>Please stop trying to argue with me dude. Im just trying to help him with his decission.
I might argue 'YOUR OPINION', if you had an opinion on the subject.
Look, if all you are doing is regurgitating what you have heard or read, then state that, ie:
I don't have any real experience on this subject, but I've read this, this, and this, about the subject. I've also heard that, that, and whatever.
My whole point has been and continues to be that the uninformed new chameleon owner comes to the forum for some good advice. He does not know how much REAL experience you have, and if all you are doing is simply repeating what you have heard or read somewhere, without any real first-hand experience, then you are presenting yourself to this new person as someone who DOES have the experience that person is seeking.
Let's take this from another angle. Let's look at an example using skateboarding. If this was a skateboarding forum, and someone came in asking about the proper techniques to use to perform tricks, what he's looking for is someone with some experience in performing tricks. It would probably be best if Tony Hawks answered his questions about skateboarding techniques. The new skateboard is probably not getting the proper advice in techniques if he's getting advice from Tony Little (who snuck onto the skateboarding forum, and is now dispensing advice, thinking that if he knows so much about his Gazelle, then he can just read up on skating and start handing out advice to the noobs), versus Tony Hawk. In fact, it could be quite dangerous! The world of skateboarding is much different than exercise machines, although they both give you an exercise.
Now I know this is silly. We're not on the skating forum. And Tony Hawks is too rich to go on any forums anyways. But I don't know how else to drive the point home- simply repeating what you have read somewhere without having first hand experience is VERY harmful in our little world here.
Eric, I want to hear about your own successes. Truly. I want to read your funny stories, pictures, and whatever you choose to share with the forum. But please, until you get some first hand experience, lay off on the dispensing of advice.
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Victor Gomez
gomezvi@yahoo.com

beardiedude Feb 25, 2006 03:40 PM

Now i know why you challenge what i say! It makes sense and i do admit that i was dispersing information that i had read or heard. You are very correct about my opinions and i am clear as to what you mean.

Now i will think more carefully about my dicesions on posting. Guess i'll just stick with panther and meller questions.

LOL i thought you were just some sort of orniry older guy who came here to challenge what any kid thought! A well i'll just kick back and soak up the knowledge!
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eric

gomezvi Feb 25, 2006 03:54 PM

Did you read my comment about your post regarding the cage?
This is the sort of information we're looking for, first hand experience. We're all very capable of reading stuff, but we're looking for what others have experienced themselves. This is the sort of stuff that all the research in the world will not give you.
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Victor Gomez
gomezvi@yahoo.com

vegasbilly Feb 24, 2006 07:25 PM

Jacksons require a completely different methodology than do Veileds or Panthers and Mt. Merus even a bit different than Xs. They will stress over 80F, have a slower metabolism (eat less) and drink a ton more. I'd break in w/the "std." Jacksons - Merus cost more and are much more rarely offered.

Get the husbandry down then go for the Merus. If you do, and are blessed w/babies, make sure they get a chance to dry out between mistings. Mine typically go 4-5 hours this way and are only misted twice a day - 1 hour after lights on and 1 hour after lights off.

Billy

veiledbrian Feb 24, 2006 08:51 PM

I'm pretty sure that I want jacksons. I just get overwhelmed with want I'd love to have any/all of them. I just made 60 bucks on ebay...A little less than half way till my new jacksons. I will be buying them from First Choice Reptiles.

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0.2 Chameleo Chameleo Calyptratus
0.1.0 Leopard Gecko
1.2.0 Dead Chameleons

vegasbilly Feb 24, 2006 09:36 PM

Excellent choice! I got my initial 1.1 from Nick last year and one more female a month ago. Here's a pic of the male. Also, I'd recommend getting sub-adults - his sub-adults are usually at or 4-6 mos. of breeding age. My earlier post are the babies they produced 5 mos. ago and they were just bred again last month.

Bill

veiledbrian Feb 24, 2006 09:52 PM

Yeah, I was going to go with his 6-8 inch sub adult size. I want to be able to breed them once they get acclimated to their new cage. I have a custom built 5'x3'x3' screen cage, would I be able to house a pair or trio in this? I know this sounds like a rookie question probably....I've heard mixed messages about this with Jacksonii. I think the cage is big enough forme to place a cool mist humidifier right in the cage. Does that sounds stupid? lol. I'm so excited about getting these...
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0.2 Chameleo Chameleo Calyptratus
0.1.0 Leopard Gecko
1.2.0 Dead Chameleons

chameleon76 Feb 24, 2006 11:16 PM

Hey Billy that is a beautiful jacksons.I am not sure if you said this but is that a meru jacksons?
kevin
chameleon76

veiledbrian Feb 25, 2006 12:46 PM

Sorry to repost..I just didn't want anyone that might be able to answer my question be interrupted by the last post and not reply etc. I'm really curious if a cage of that size could hold a pair or trio of jacksons............Like I said I've heard mixed remarks about being able to do so. The cage is 5'x3'x3'
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0.2 Chameleo Chameleo Calyptratus
0.1.0 Leopard Gecko
1.2.0 Dead Chameleons

vegasbilly Feb 25, 2006 03:23 PM

I wouldn't...but thats just me. My females gape and show stress colors when the male approaches when they're gravid. I figure its a good idea to "listen" to their evolutionary forms of communication. They don't cohabitate past copulation in the wild so why try to force them into an unnatural scenario in captivity? Besides, you will have little if no warning when the babies begin to drop - the only noticeable thing I noticed..and I don't hover over my animals' hourly existence, is that they gape alot a couple of hours before birthing.

Bill

vegasbilly Feb 25, 2006 03:19 PM

Thanks, he's a beauty for sure! He's not a Mt. Meru though he sure resembles them alot.

Bill

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