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Has anyone produced a albino pastel yet? Im curious to see how the pastel will react with the albino? Also, what happened to that derma? Ever get PROVEN genetic?
Jbugg

I dont know about the albino pastel, but there is no way the derma could be proven genetic as of yet. It is still to young to have any offspring that are large enough to breed it to. We probably wont find any info out on that till 2008. There are quite a few scaleless snakes that were proven to just be flukes, and I think this might end up being the same thing, not genetic just a fluke. Thats of course just my opinion and everyone has one.

Will Wohlers

I think Cypress Creek did the albino pastel last year - it was only slightly different than a regular albino if I remember correctly probably why we haven't heard much about it.

The Derma is breeding this season - will still be a few more years until we hear weather it's genetic - tho the guy claimed he had his (the dermas) mother too - so maybe (if he was telling the truth) we'll know for sure this season.
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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

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1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi - yeah I know but my kids love the book)
0.1.0 Bredls Python (Smurfette)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

11.42.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi - yeah I know but my kids love the book)
0.1.0 Bredls Python (Smurfette)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.0 frogs rescued from pool skimmer

n/p

the guy who has the derma has been trying to sell the offspring from it as hets for derma @ $20,000 each on fauna classifieds even though it has yet to be proven out. BUYER BEWARE!!

On that note.
I wonder what the original price tags were for alot of the morphs we have available to us today as proven genetic lines.That was a "bet" too..or am i wrong.

Now...if he saying they ARE proven genetic...then that's a different story.
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Charles Glaspie

Tanstaafl:
"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch".
An acronym created by my favorite author Robert A. Heinlein.

Awww - but heres the rub - since he suposedly has the mom and has not shown her - we can assume (most probably) that she is normal in appearance - which makes her either normal or a het - if she was derma you can bet the pair would have been prominantly displayed and he'd be asking $100K for offspring.

Assuming that it is genetic .... Since there was only one Derma in the clutch that would mean that either the father was derma and it is a co-dom gene meaning the siblings were all normal. Or its recessive by at least one het parent, and unless we know for a fact that Dad was a visual derma (which we don't) then at best those offspring would be possbile hets from a het to het pairing.

Without some solid evidence that those "normal" looking offspring came from anything genetic or any genetics behind the father, I'd say it's a stretch asking $30K for them - now asking $30K for a visual morph that may or may not be genetic is another horse all together.
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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

11.42.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi - yeah I know but my kids love the book)
0.1.0 Bredls Python (Smurfette)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.0 frogs rescued from pool skimmer

"Since there was only one Derma in the clutch that would mean that either the father was derma and it is a co-dom gene meaning the siblings were all normal. Or its recessive by at least one het parent, and unless we know for a fact that Dad was a visual derma (which we don't) then at best those offspring would be possbile hets from a het to het pairing."

ohhhh..thoooose "hets"...i forgot about those.
I thought maybe he was pre-selling future offspring from the dermas recent breedings,or something....oops.
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Charles Glaspie

Tanstaafl:
"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch".
An acronym created by my favorite author Robert A. Heinlein.

Yeah, and also, I don't know about this guy or anyone else, but if I had something that odd and I thought that it was genetic than I would not sell ANY of the offspring for ANY price becouse they would be too valuable to me in terms of A; proving out my morph B; being able to outbreed and make sure I had healthy stock for the forseeable future and C;being the only person that one could get that morph from once if is proven. I am not going to go so far as to assume this guy is crooked, but there are a lot of items on the table that make it seem safer to sit back and watch until more is known. Hell, I have a snake that has a slightly odd kinda fireish/kinda YBish look with a slightly lighter than usual color, light eyes, clear stomach, tons of bluish grey flames and a splotch on a faded head that will probably end up being just a really cool normal and I don't intend to sell any of his offspring (first clutch coming next season, I hope) until I know for sure so I can't imagine that some one would sell "het for dermas" prior to proving one out.
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