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While we are asking these kind of questions, I have a pair of Florida Snow Pines, one is red phase, what kind of a clutch should I expect when they reproduce?
Kirk

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1.1 Jungle Carpet Python (both gorgeous)
1.1 Ball Python (normals, he said proudly)
3.3 hatchling ball pythons (normals)
1.1 Ball Python (het for albino)(gonna make my own albino)
1.1 Corn Snake (Okeetee, Sunglow x Snow)
0.1 Gray band Kingsnake (Blairs)
1.1 Desert Kingsnake
1.1 Pueblan Milksnake (normal)(Apricot)
1.1 Andean Milksnake (Inca phase) (het)
1.0 Bullsnake (normal)(my garbage disposal snake)
1.1 Bullsnake (red bull) and (het red bull)
0.1 Black Pine Snake need '05 mate!
1.1 Southern Snow Pine (snow)(red phase snow)
1.1 Mexican Pine snake
1.2 Checkered garter snakes (albino pair & het female)
1.0 Rhodesian Ridgeback (Hondo)
0.1 Spouse (WC)(hates the herps,and not real crazy about the dog)

The first snake shown looks definetely like a snow southern, much like my female. The second pic looks like a pinkish leucistic patternless southern pine with black, or normal colored, eyes. From the pic, I would be of the opinion that it is not a snow southern, but that does not take away from the beauty of the snake.

Perhaps some other can chime in on this, as my experience with southerns is not as extended as many others.

This all may pertain to how your question can be answered in terms of what you would produce from the two.

Billy
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1.1 Jungle Carpet Python (both gorgeous)
1.1 Ball Python (normals, he said proudly)
3.3 hatchling ball pythons (normals)
1.1 Ball Python (het for albino)(gonna make my own albino)
1.1 Corn Snake (Okeetee, Sunglow x Snow)
0.1 Gray band Kingsnake (Blairs)
1.1 Desert Kingsnake
1.1 Pueblan Milksnake (normal)(Apricot)
1.1 Andean Milksnake (Inca phase) (het)
1.0 Bullsnake (normal)(my garbage disposal snake)
1.1 Bullsnake (red bulls)
0.1 Black Pine Snake need '05 mate!
1.1 Southern Snow Pine (snow)(red phase snow)
1.1 Mexican Pine snake
1.2 Checkered garter snakes (albino pair & het female)
1.0 Rhodesian Ridgeback (Hondo)
0.1 Spouse (WC)(hates the herps,and not real crazy about the dog)

well first what do you mean by 'red snow'-if it's a pinkish snake,patternless,and has blueish/dark(not red/pink) eyes,than it sounds like a leucistic fla. pine....your top pic is of a snow pine,which is amelanistic...funny ,i too am curious to see what they would produce together.i think,but am not certain,they would produce a clutch of normal looking babies,double het. for amel. and leucistic....but maybe someone else here can confirm/deny this,etc. with a little more certainty....?

The snake was advertised in KS classifieds as a Southern Snow Pine (red phase) which I was told was a snow pine with a pinkish hue to it. Well, as has been observed, the other differences are that it's patternless and has dark eyes. I was wondering if anyone was familiar with the common name Southern Snow -red phase and could shed a little light on it and also predict what these two snakes offspring might look like. But your guess makes sense to me, although I'm certainly no expert on Pits or genetics. If those traits are recessive, and they don't match up from both parents then the offspring would look normal and be het(double)for the other traits.
Any experts out there want to weigh in on this discussion?
Thanks,
Kirk
PS I know it doesn't mean anything, but their temperaments are as different as night and day. The snow is cornsnake docile, while the red phase tail vibrates, hisses with mouth gaped, and even bites. I'm working with him and he's going to be fine I think but for now, he's pretty nervous. I think it's cool actually, and my black pine has the same attitude. My hands stay scratched up now, lol.

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1.1 Jungle Carpet Python (both gorgeous)
1.1 Ball Python (normals, he said proudly)
3.3 hatchling ball pythons (normals)
1.1 Ball Python (het for albino)(gonna make my own albino)
1.1 Corn Snake (Okeetee, Sunglow x Snow)
0.1 Gray band Kingsnake (Blairs)
1.1 Desert Kingsnake
1.1 Pueblan Milksnake (normal)(Apricot)
1.1 Andean Milksnake (Inca phase) (het)
1.0 Bullsnake (normal)(my garbage disposal snake)
1.1 Bullsnake (red bulls)
0.1 Black Pine Snake need '05 mate!
1.1 Southern Snow Pine (snow)(red phase snow)
1.1 Mexican Pine snake
1.2 Checkered garter snakes (albino pair & het female)
1.0 Rhodesian Ridgeback (Hondo)
0.1 Spouse (WC)(hates the herps,and not real crazy about the dog)

Billy,

ask me to post a comment of these two animals so here goes.

The top pic is of a typical patterned albino southern. The bottom pic. is of a leucistic southern pine ( probally Bell line) Quite often when you breed bell leucistic to bell elucistic you will get animals that have a rosy pink overcast to the coloration, most keep it as adults some do not. You also will get a solid tan colored animal from time to time that is really neat and looks like some of the pattenless bulls you have seen advertised around.

If they are both as I discused above then indeed you will get normal looking hets for both traits. The kicker come inthough that there is a line of manmade leucistics from out west that have albino in the mix. I have two friends that work with them and they produce albino animals from leucistic patternless animals on accasion. You will not know untill you breed them.

As far as rosy snow, I have not heard that and it is just another marketing name that was used.

John