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I'm a bit confused about how you get sunglows and hybinos and aptors. I have a male tremper carrotail, and a SHTCTB female. Is this the start for sunglows and hybinos? I'm really not sure.. If anyone knows about the genetics in these morphs, please let me know.
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Hybinos I would guess are just hypo x albinos.

Sunglows are really good super hypo tangerine carrot tails x albinos.

APTORs are named for the acronym Albino Patternless Tremper ORange. It is important to know that this patternless is different than the original patternless that is fairly common.

All of these above have some collection of additive or line breed traits in addition to simple dominate/ressesive traits. Because of this there is no such thing as a Het for these conditions. This is because you cannot have a Het hypo, only somewhere between a good hypo and a normal.

Do sunglows show the albino trait? Or is it just in their genes. In other words, with a SHTCB and a tremper albino, how would you come up with sunglows? Would you need to breed the offspring to one another, or back to the father to do this?

Are hybinos simply the first generation of such a cross?
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Corn Snakes: Eden, Mars, Sierra, Lavendar, The Tweedle Twins
Crested Geckos: Parker, Emily Dickinson, Bonnie, Benz, Jude, Cali
Leopard Geckos: Paris, Helen, Annabelle, Artemis, Vesta
Jambea Dwarf Retic: Montague

Hybinos are in a way similar to sunglows except sunglows are superhypos and should have carrot tails.

But to make the sunglows you would need to breed the albino trait into a Super Hypo Tangerine Carrot Tail line. Unless your SHTCT is het for albino you will need to breed the offspring back to the albino to produce albinos with the SHTCT genes. However, depending on your albino your offspring may not be good SHTCT and it may take a few generations of selective breeding to produce true sunglows.

So to make a long story short, I would make sure to start with as albino from a good SHTCT line or even get a male sunglow to breed to female SHTCT to start. If not it could take years to produce just 1 quality sunglow from an albino and a SHTCT.

O.K. I had the same question. A hybino is a true albino you can definately see the traits in the eyes and tail. Hybinos are also known as sunglows. Usually one will use the term sunglow for an awesome hybino but it doesn't matter. The Urban Gecko came up with the hybino line and then called it sunglow. So in other words sunglow is just another word for hybino.

Male Sunglow "Cronus"

Thanks. That's perfect, exactly what I needed to know.
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Corn Snakes: Eden, Mars, Sierra, Lavendar, The Tweedle Twins
Crested Geckos: Parker, Emily Dickinson, Bonnie, Benz, Jude, Cali
Leopard Geckos: Paris, Helen, Annabelle, Artemis, Vesta
Jambea Dwarf Retic: Montague

>>I'm a bit confused about how you get sunglows and hybinos and aptors. I have a male tremper carrotail, and a SHTCTB female. Is this the start for sunglows and hybinos? I'm really not sure.. If anyone knows about the genetics in these morphs, please let me know.
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>>Corn Snakes: Eden, Mars, Sierra, Lavendar, The Tweedle Twins
>>Crested Geckos: Parker, Emily Dickinson, Bonnie, Benz, Jude, Cali
>>Leopard Geckos: Paris, Helen, Annabelle, Artemis, Vesta
>>Jambea Dwarf Retic: Montague

Sunglows and Hybinos are the same thing. The terms are used interchangably like "Las Vegas" and "Rainwater" are terms that both describe the same albinism strain.

Hybinos/Sunglows are created whenever a strain of albino is crossed into SHTCT's. The offspring would then be het for Albino (or Het Hybino/Sunglow). The offspring would then be bred together in hopes of creating a Hybino/Sunglow.

There are such things as "Hybino hets". Simply look at Kelli Hammack's website for proof of that. This just means that they are the result of a Hybino/Sunglow x SHTCT's. They are simply het Albino, but the term "Het Hybino" implies that one of the parents of the offspring were Hybinos.
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The problem is that some people will think that it can be used to describe the offspring from a hybino to normal cross. Because the hypo trait is additive or line breed you cannot have hets for this trait.

I would agree that a hypo that is het for albino could be thought of as a het for hybino, but it is really a hypo het for albino, and should be advertised as so.