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degei and naaza bred today.... degei is the male, naaza is the female..... i have some questions.
1. how long after they breed will i see eggs?
2. do i need to put something in the enclosure for her to lay them in?
3. when should i feed her and how often? the male also?
4. how do i incubate the eggs? can or will she incubate them? where can i find an incubator?
5. what will the babies look like the male is a common, the female a miami....?
lets see if I can remember all the questions.
You should get eggs about two weeks after the post-breeding shed (by the female)
No, the female will not incubate the eggs. You need to either buy or make an incubator. You can buy one at reptilesupply.com or lllreptiles.com for about $40 s/h
You need to put a lay box in with the female. You can use a shoebox (sterilite container) with a hole in the lid. Fill half way with moist (not soaking wet) vermiculite.
the number of eggs depends on the size/age of the female and the fertility of the male. anywhere from 4 eggs, up to 20(round about) in one clutch.
feed the female as much as she will take and keep down, until she gets bigger. When the eggs start to develop, they take up most of the room, so smaller feed should be offered.
Hope this helps
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**********Misty**********
I try to take one day at a time but sometimes several days attack me at once!
forgot to answer what you will get. I am not a gemetics whiz, but since snakes can not be het for miami, you should end up with all normals. Try using a genetic calculator. Those are fun to play around with
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**********Misty**********
I try to take one day at a time but sometimes several days attack me at once!
>>forgot to answer what you will get. I am not a gemetics whiz, but since snakes can not be het for miami, you should end up with all normals. Try using a genetic calculator. Those are fun to play around with
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>>**********Misty**********
>>I try to take one day at a time but sometimes several days attack me at once!
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Computers don't make errors. What they do, they do on purpose. (Dale Gribble)
AOL IM Mettzilla
I forgot my password for herpzilla, and gave a bad email,, major OOPS
1.3 Bearded Dragons
6 baby female Western hognose, 3.5 adults some friend some mine,,,building breeding stock)
1 Corn snake (bloodred) 0.2 1 MIA In the house I hope
1 baby creamcycle 0.1
2 Okeettes I think? 1.1 youngens
ochrocephala oratrix 0.0.1? Adult, and a killer!
ochrocephala auropalliata 0.0.1? Adult
2.0 Dogs,
0.2 Cats,,
0.1 Wives, (Long term captive!,, I mean ME!)
1.1 Kids (Paininthearsius takamemonii) J/K great kids
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tom
touchy KB
Why can't you have a miami het?
thanks
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Computers don't make errors. What they do, they do on purpose. (Dale Gribble)
AOL IM Mettzilla
I forgot my password for herpzilla, and gave a bad email,, major OOPS
1.3 Bearded Dragons
6 baby female Western hognose, 3.5 adults some friend some mine,,,building breeding stock)
1 Corn snake (bloodred) 0.2 1 MIA In the house I hope
1 baby creamcycle 0.1
2 Okeettes I think? 1.1 youngens
ochrocephala oratrix 0.0.1? Adult, and a killer!
ochrocephala auropalliata 0.0.1? Adult
2.0 Dogs,
0.2 Cats,,
0.1 Wives, (Long term captive!,, I mean ME!)
1.1 Kids (Paininthearsius takamemonii) J/K great kids
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tom
according to the 2006 corn snake morph guide by Charles Pritzel, you can not have snakes Het for selectively bred looks. These include miami, okeetee, green spot, hurricane, candycane, keys, kisatchie, banded, aztec, zigzag, others. I think this is because it is more of a pettern and color thing than a genetic thing. Again, I am not the genetic wizard, I just take in the info from those that know what they are talking about.
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**********Misty**********
I try to take one day at a time but sometimes several days attack me at once!
I have many thoughts on that. But my thoughts today were somewhat battered. lol
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Computers don't make errors. What they do, they do on purpose. (Dale Gribble)
AOL IM Mettzilla
I forgot my password for herpzilla, and gave a bad email,, major OOPS
1.3 Bearded Dragons
6 baby female Western hognose, 3.5 adults some friend some mine,,,building breeding stock)
1 Corn snake (bloodred) 0.2 1 MIA In the house I hope
1 baby creamcycle 0.1
2 Okeettes I think? 1.1 youngens
ochrocephala oratrix 0.0.1? Adult, and a killer!
ochrocephala auropalliata 0.0.1? Adult
2.0 Dogs,
0.2 Cats,,
0.1 Wives, (Long term captive!,, I mean ME!)
1.1 Kids (Paininthearsius takamemonii) J/K great kids
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tom
You cannot have hets for miami because it is not genetic. It is a line bred trait. If you breed a miami to a miami you should get miami's (at least mostly) since both parents look alike. But if you bred a normal to a miami then there is no telling exactly what they would look like.
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1.0 Ball Python "Wilson" (Castaway)
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
0.0.1 Mexican Black Kingsnake "Onyx"
>>You cannot have hets for miami because it is not genetic. It is a line bred trait. If you breed a miami to a miami you should get miami's (at least mostly) since both parents look alike. But if you bred a normal to a miami then there is no telling exactly what they would look like.
HUH if not genetic a miami to miami would giv normal?
Everything is gentics, it may not be genetically passed.
OK, I'm quiet again.
HerpZillA biting tongue
Some day I need to sit with a few people and really discuss this. First round is on me. I just drink Pepsi
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Computers don't make errors. What they do, they do on purpose. (Dale Gribble)
AOL IM Mettzilla
I forgot my password for herpzilla, and gave a bad email,, major OOPS
1.3 Bearded Dragons
6 baby female Western hognose, 3.5 adults some friend some mine,,,building breeding stock)
1 Corn snake (bloodred) 0.2 1 MIA In the house I hope
1 baby creamcycle 0.1
2 Okeettes I think? 1.1 youngens
ochrocephala oratrix 0.0.1? Adult, and a killer!
ochrocephala auropalliata 0.0.1? Adult
2.0 Dogs,
0.2 Cats,,
0.1 Wives, (Long term captive!,, I mean ME!)
1.1 Kids (Paininthearsius takamemonii) J/K great kids
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tom
Think of it this way. If a black person and white person have a baby, the baby typically is in the middle, not white or not black. That is what the babies from this corn snake breeding will be, somewhere in the middle.
Now if that intermeddiate child grows up and has a baby with a black person, then that baby will more closely resemble a black person. Same as if the child grew up and had a baby with a white person, it resembles more of a white person than the black. But either way, it is still not either one or the other, just a close resemblance.
Make sense?
I swear I was going to stop lol
Skin (and Paul correect me if I'm wrong) is several genes, with multiple alelles. So, each gene has several options (alelles.) And to be honest I lost track of all the posts, and why this one is under Miamis?
Skin has several types of pigment options for each gene. I kinda just said that.
In conclusion, you are correct, but skin is totally different!
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Computers don't make errors. What they do, they do on purpose. (Dale Gribble)
AOL IM Mettzilla
I forgot my password for herpzilla, and gave a bad email,, major OOPS
1.3 Bearded Dragons
6 baby female Western hognose, 3.5 adults some friend some mine,,,building breeding stock)
1 Corn snake (bloodred) 0.2 1 MIA In the house I hope
1 baby creamcycle 0.1
2 Okeettes I think? 1.1 youngens
ochrocephala oratrix 0.0.1? Adult, and a killer!
ochrocephala auropalliata 0.0.1? Adult
2.0 Dogs,
0.2 Cats,,
0.1 Wives, (Long term captive!,, I mean ME!)
1.1 Kids (Paininthearsius takamemonii) J/K great kids
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tom
Well, I'll stick my oar in. 
There is no such thing as het for Miami for the same reason there is no such thing as het for snow.
A heterozygous creature has different alleles at one or more corresponding chromosomal loci. A locus is heterozygous if the two alleles present at the locus are different.
The definition of "het for snow" requires two things - 1) two different alleles at 2) the locus where the "snow" mutant gene resides. A locus containing a normal gene paired with the snow mutant gene would be het for snow. But there is no mutant gene named "snow" and, therefore, no locus for it.
A corn snake can be heterozygous at the amelanistic locus or heterozygous at the anerythristic locus or even heterozygous at both the amelanistic locus and the anerythristic locus. But it can't be heterozygous at the snow locus because there is neither a snow mutant gene nor a snow locus.
I know that a lot of people use "het for snow" when they mean a snake that is heterozygous at both the amelanistic locus and the anerythristic locus. But that is slang and is technically incorrect.
Corns from a Miami x normal mating are probably heterozygous at one or more of the unknown number of loci involved in producing the Miami phenotype. But we have not been able to assign the Miami phenotype to a single mutant gene at a single locus. That's why there is no "het for Miami".
Paul Hollander
I drop anchor and agree.
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Computers don't make errors. What they do, they do on purpose. (Dale Gribble)
AOL IM Mettzilla
I forgot my password for herpzilla, and gave a bad email,, major OOPS
1.3 Bearded Dragons
6 baby female Western hognose, 3.5 adults some friend some mine,,,building breeding stock)
1 Corn snake (bloodred) 0.2 1 MIA In the house I hope
1 baby creamcycle 0.1
2 Okeettes I think? 1.1 youngens
ochrocephala oratrix 0.0.1? Adult, and a killer!
ochrocephala auropalliata 0.0.1? Adult
2.0 Dogs,
0.2 Cats,,
0.1 Wives, (Long term captive!,, I mean ME!)
1.1 Kids (Paininthearsius takamemonii) J/K great kids
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tom
1. This comes from Kathy's book, she says her corns average about 39 days.
2. Yes, you need to get a container about twice the size of the female and put some dampened sphagnum moss or paper towels in it. You might also want to remove her water when she gets really close to laying time so she doesn't lay them in the water.
3. I am feeding mine once a week (as usual) but adding a hopper to the female's meal. My male just gets the same amount.
4. The female won't incubate the eggs. You can buy an incubator, but some people say the Hovabator is unreliable and everything else is really expensive. You can make one pretty easily I think. I plan on putting the eggs in a 6-quart sterilite, putting that in an aquarium (on top of some bricks), put a few inches of water in the aquarium and getting a piece of plexiglass to put on the top to keep the humidity in. I have an old aquarium heater with an attached thermostat to heat it. The sterilite should have moistened vermiculite, sphagnum moss, or perlite in it. If you research a little I am sure you can find more detailed insructions.
5. The babies will be common I think, because Miami is just a really pretty common. (I'm not sure about it though)
Good Luck!
Hey raisnok, how did you have a "chance" hookup? You just couldn't wait could ya How long is she now? I want to breed Hope so bad I have been dreaming about it (literally last night ) Good luck with your babies!
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1.0 Ball Python "Wilson" (Castaway)
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
0.0.1 Mexican Black Kingsnake "Onyx"
well i was being curious to see if naaza would even try to breed with degei....being i was told naaza was a male and degei was a female..... naaza is 34 inches...degei 38.......
i turned my back and looked back at them and i was like "man that guy was way off on his sexing snakes" lolol
but are not due to just one gene, such as an amel or anery, etc.
Just as a collie or beagle's looks are genetic, one could not breed them together and get a het for beagle or het for collie. However, you could breed an albino beagle to an albino collie, and get all albinos that look something in between a collie or beagle, with some babies favoring one or the other parent. Or you could breed an albino beagle to a normal collie and get beagle - collie crosses that are het for albino, but not het for collie or beagle.
Hopefully that analogy will make it easier to understand.
Last night I was trying to explain it without sounding stupid. You did a great job.
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1.0 Ball Python "Wilson" (Castaway)
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
0.0.1 Mexican Black Kingsnake "Onyx"
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