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Favorite burm morph?

Carmichael Mar 03, 2006 12:45 PM

Most of you know how I feel about the crazy burm morph craze but I am trying to keep an open mind about this nutsy hobby of our's. I am trying to better understand the phrase "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and how it relates to the onslaught of captive breeding programs taking place as it relates to burms. Although I find a beautifully colored/clean patterned normal burm to be by far and away the most beautiful "morph" of them all, if I had to pick one, I would have to go with the labyrinth phase - pretty neat pattern and as close to a normal burm as I can see with these new morphs out there. We have one here at our facility that I really enjoy. What is everyone else's favorite?....and, is it driven by $$$ or because you really do find it beautiful?

Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center
Lake Forest, IL
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Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, IL

Replies (20)

goini04 Mar 03, 2006 02:22 PM

Hi Mr. Carmichael,

I am much like you in the fact that I prefer the good ol' normal burm over any "morphs" available out there. However, if I had to choose an alternate, it would be the simple albino Burm. I find them to be quite beautiful as well.

Chris

>>Most of you know how I feel about the crazy burm morph craze but I am trying to keep an open mind about this nutsy hobby of our's. I am trying to better understand the phrase "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and how it relates to the onslaught of captive breeding programs taking place as it relates to burms. Although I find a beautifully colored/clean patterned normal burm to be by far and away the most beautiful "morph" of them all, if I had to pick one, I would have to go with the labyrinth phase - pretty neat pattern and as close to a normal burm as I can see with these new morphs out there. We have one here at our facility that I really enjoy. What is everyone else's favorite?....and, is it driven by $$$ or because you really do find it beautiful?
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>>Rob Carmichael, Curator
>>The Wildlife Discovery Center
>>Lake Forest, IL
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>>Rob Carmichael, Curator
>>The Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
>>Lake Forest, IL
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kilhd Mar 04, 2006 02:26 PM

Hi guys..
I would have to say I prefer normal to these "morphs" If I was to get something else my 1st choice would be green with lots of spots. I don't get into the albino as to me they are just plain "ugly" White Yellow just doesn't look good to me on a python. Granted I have seen some really great looking ones with orange or high yellow.. I just like normal much more is all. I would also love one of those hybrid Burm x Retic bateaters.. : )

eyecandyexotics Mar 03, 2006 02:38 PM

Beauty IS in the eye of the beholder... and I do love the normal and labyrinth burmese. However the caramel albino or "T " morph that Bob Clark (0.1) and Gulf Coast Reptiles (1.1) have are gorgeous. The lavender and yellow are just awesome! I also love caramel albino anything though (retics, ball pythons, etc..) so I geuss I am bias for the caramels.

Just imagine a CARAMEL LABYRINTH or a CARAMEL GRANITE!!!

Just my 2 cents

ginebig Mar 03, 2006 03:11 PM

I'm partial to the normal patterns of all reptiles. As simple as it is, I gues my favorite morph would be the albinos.

Quig

jfmoore Mar 03, 2006 04:35 PM

Oh, thank goodness, Rob! When I saw the subject line, I thought that the Pod People had taken control of your mind, or maybe that someone had stolen your password and was posting on your computer.

But now that I read your post, I guess it’s really you. Or is it?

Anyway, I vote for normal (wild) phase. I’ve only got one Burmese now. I like it that way.

-Joan

Carmichael Mar 03, 2006 05:20 PM

Hi Joan, good to see you posting. No, I'm safe and still a hard core "naturalist"...will never be a hybrid fan....ever.

Hey, if you have nothing to do on Sunday, March 5 come to our Reptile Rampage:
Sunday, March 5
Lake Forest Recreation Center
400 Hastings Road
Lake Forest, IL 60045
$5 entry fee and all proceeds help the Wildlife Discovery Center

Chow, Rob

>>Oh, thank goodness, Rob! When I saw the subject line, I thought that the Pod People had taken control of your mind, or maybe that someone had stolen your password and was posting on your computer.
>>
>>But now that I read your post, I guess it’s really you. Or is it?
>>
>>Anyway, I vote for normal (wild) phase. I’ve only got one Burmese now. I like it that way.
>>
>>-Joan
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Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, IL

HighEndHerpsInc Mar 03, 2006 05:30 PM

I really don’t understand why there is a line divided. I personally don’t see an “us” and a “them” when it comes to those that like morphs and those that prefer “normals”. Personally I like “normals” just as much as I like any of the morphs. Even more than some of the established morphs that are popular. Just because I can appreciate the appearance of a pattern morph or an albino pattern morph does not by any means indicate that I have to make my choice and thus abandon my love and appreciation for “normals”. I don’t even believe in the term “normals”, quite frankly. I feel that those are quite simply, “burmese pythons” that deserve the same respect as any other specie of animal on the planet. Just because there are rarer and thus more expensive morphs does not by any stretch of the imagination mean that burmese pythons are valueless. Quite the contrary, they are just as valuable as they have ever been in my book. And they always will be to me. And by the same token the morphs are not valueless just because they are different and not the preferred pet of the majority of the python enthusiasts. They too deserve our love and respect. Just because they are different and maybe not preferred by many does not make them garbage. They didn’t ask to be born albino granite, or albino labyrinth. They are just another burmese python with a different appearance and color. Does anyone really think that they themselves know they are a “morph”? They don't. To them they are just a burmese. But honestly, they are NO different from any other burmese python. If you paint a pinto 10 different colors it is still just a pinto.

As for me, my favorite burm morph is the granite, non albino, when they have nicely contrasting colors and distinct patterns. I really find little to no real beauty in the albino patternless or albino “greens, but I breed them nonetheless because there are folks that DO think they are gorgeous and I respect their view. I like the greens-non het albino better, and I like both the albino labyrinths and non albino labyrinths too. But above all else I love ALL burmese of all shapes and forms equally. Whenever I see a thread with a “normal’ burmese I always pause to admire it. I keep these too and will always appreciate them for their unparalleled natural beauty. For without them there would be no morphs period.
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ginebig Mar 03, 2006 07:04 PM

>>But honestly, they are NO different from any other burmese python. If you paint a pinto 10 different colors it is still just a pinto.

ginebig Mar 03, 2006 07:12 PM

Basically all it said was that I don't understand a person that will spend thousands of dollars on a snake, and because it was so costly they treat it like it's 'special'. Sterile living conditions, sterile air, sterile water and on and on. A snake's a snake. JMHO.

Quig

Carmichael Mar 03, 2006 08:31 PM

David, I know that you and I are on the opposite sides of the spectrum in terms of our philosophical ideas in the field of herpetoculture...but I still respect your efforts and appreciate your calm demeanor even in heated debates. I'm a purist; I find great enjoyment in working with "normals" of all species (I am only using that word for the sake of knowing what I am talking about....if you prefer, I will also refer to "normals" as "naturally occurring" - sounds better). All of the genetic mutts (no disrespect to mutts) currently on the market are genetically engineered in unnatural and controlled conditions (and, NO, a pinto is NOT a pinto if you combine it with genetically inferior look alike pinto...such as our severely inbred albino strains); for the most part, you would never see any of these morphs in the wild....but hey, who cares right? None of these animals will ever see the wild anyway. So, what the heck, lets keep breeding burms to rocks to indians to borneos to balls to jungles to, hey, here's a thought, a burm to an anthill python! The point is, and an argument I have been discussing for quite some time is that just because we "can" doesn't mean that we "should" but we are blessed to live in America aren't we?!..each of us have a very differing philosophy when it comes to this field/hobby. I have never seen it as an "us" versus "them" argument or some sort of dividing line; its simply a matter of philosophy and there's nothing wrong with that. It makes for interesting dialogue.

Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center

>>I really don’t understand why there is a line divided. I personally don’t see an “us” and a “them” when it comes to those that like morphs and those that prefer “normals”. Personally I like “normals” just as much as I like any of the morphs. Even more than some of the established morphs that are popular. Just because I can appreciate the appearance of a pattern morph or an albino pattern morph does not by any means indicate that I have to make my choice and thus abandon my love and appreciation for “normals”. I don’t even believe in the term “normals”, quite frankly. I feel that those are quite simply, “burmese pythons” that deserve the same respect as any other specie of animal on the planet. Just because there are rarer and thus more expensive morphs does not by any stretch of the imagination mean that burmese pythons are valueless. Quite the contrary, they are just as valuable as they have ever been in my book. And they always will be to me. And by the same token the morphs are not valueless just because they are different and not the preferred pet of the majority of the python enthusiasts. They too deserve our love and respect. Just because they are different and maybe not preferred by many does not make them garbage. They didn’t ask to be born albino granite, or albino labyrinth. They are just another burmese python with a different appearance and color. Does anyone really think that they themselves know they are a “morph”? They don't. To them they are just a burmese. But honestly, they are NO different from any other burmese python. If you paint a pinto 10 different colors it is still just a pinto.
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>>As for me, my favorite burm morph is the granite, non albino, when they have nicely contrasting colors and distinct patterns. I really find little to no real beauty in the albino patternless or albino “greens, but I breed them nonetheless because there are folks that DO think they are gorgeous and I respect their view. I like the greens-non het albino better, and I like both the albino labyrinths and non albino labyrinths too. But above all else I love ALL burmese of all shapes and forms equally. Whenever I see a thread with a “normal’ burmese I always pause to admire it. I keep these too and will always appreciate them for their unparalleled natural beauty. For without them there would be no morphs period.
>>Our Website
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>>David Beauchemin
>>High End Herps.Inc
>>http://HighEndHerps.com
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Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, IL

chainsaw Mar 03, 2006 11:01 PM

"I will also refer to "normals" as "naturally occurring" - sounds better). All of the genetic mutts (no disrespect to mutts) currently on the market are genetically engineered in unnatural and controlled conditions (and, NO, a pinto is NOT a pinto if you combine it with genetically inferior look alike pinto...such as our severely inbred albino strains); for the most part, you would never see any of these morphs in the wild....but hey, who cares right? None of these animals will ever see the wild anyway. So, what the heck, lets keep breeding burms to rocks to indians to borneos to balls to jungles..."
I wouldn't consider a Hybrid a Morph! And,If I remember correctly,all the original Burm Morphs(not the combos,i.e. Albino Lab) were collected in the wild...wouldn't that be considered "naturally accuring"? Just my opinion.
BTW: I love all Burms,and Retics,and Rocks,and......
"CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!"

Carmichael Mar 04, 2006 10:43 AM

I wholeheartedly feel like we all get along....do we need a big huggy session? Professional respect means that we sometimes have philosophical differences and that is a very healthy thing...getting along doesn't mean that we have to agree on everything. I would venture to say that David and I agree on many aspects of keeping burms such as husbandry, breeding techniques, responsibilities of the breeder when selling burms to the general public, etc., etc. This is really the only topic/issue that he and I probably don't see eye to eye on. Just my .02.

>>"I will also refer to "normals" as "naturally occurring" - sounds better). All of the genetic mutts (no disrespect to mutts) currently on the market are genetically engineered in unnatural and controlled conditions (and, NO, a pinto is NOT a pinto if you combine it with genetically inferior look alike pinto...such as our severely inbred albino strains); for the most part, you would never see any of these morphs in the wild....but hey, who cares right? None of these animals will ever see the wild anyway. So, what the heck, lets keep breeding burms to rocks to indians to borneos to balls to jungles..."
>> I wouldn't consider a Hybrid a Morph! And,If I remember correctly,all the original Burm Morphs(not the combos,i.e. Albino Lab) were collected in the wild...wouldn't that be considered "naturally accuring"? Just my opinion.
>> BTW: I love all Burms,and Retics,and Rocks,and......
>> "CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!"
>>
>>
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Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, IL

BenR79 Mar 03, 2006 09:55 PM

I really like the normal burms, but Albino labyrinths have to be my favorite. A nice looking adult can have some great contrast between the white and yellow which I love.

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joeysgreen Mar 04, 2006 02:06 AM

The natural patterns are my favorite, but there's something about a large green (I"m not sure if what I've seen are albino greens, or het for whatever, Tplus, mix... I"ll just call it green) that I find attractive. DUnno why.

While in general I am largely in favour of keeping things natural, and against alot of what goes on "in the hobby", Highendherps' post showed an exceptional intellegent and mature grasp on the topic, and thus has my respect despite all the crap that goes on in his facility (little bit of friendly button pushing there)

Ian

tcdrover Mar 04, 2006 10:23 AM

Recently got one & I am completely in love with him. He is the
most gorgeous python I've ever had.

I can understand Rob's point of view, & I share it with regard
to all those insane boa morphs, but not burms.

I thought that burm morphs were genetically pure, unlike boa
morphs. I read the story about how Green's were first bred &
I believed it, whereas all the boa morphs appear to my eyes to
be the direct result of mixing despite what the breeders say...

I'm not really into albinos even though I think the albino labs
look very nice. They look great as hatchlings, but they lose
their appeal in my eyes as adults....

ballroom Mar 04, 2006 01:04 PM

Not sure which of the new burmese Morphs we are going to call our favorite. but this one is sure to be a favorite... No photoshop....
Michael Cole
Ballroom Pythons South

ballroom Mar 04, 2006 01:10 PM

This is always in the running for a favorite....

ballroom Mar 04, 2006 01:12 PM

This is Just a classic beauty...

grunt Mar 04, 2006 07:37 PM

Rob I totally agree with you about the reg burms.My wife prefers albino's so we have one but no matter what breed of snake i am most fond of reg patterns

Ryan Shackleton Mar 07, 2006 09:30 AM

Other than normals, I like the "leopards". Sure, nobody's breeding them, and it might not be truly genetic, but I like the pattern.

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