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I'm still learning about genetics and I'm once again stumped. I thought that a bumblebee was produced in a pastel x spider breeding. In this breeding you would have a 25% chance to produce bumblebees since pastel and spiders are technically heterozygous (I think?). Then I read that a killerbee is produced in a super pastel x spider breeding. I'm confused though because I would think that in this breeding you are simply just increasing your chances at getting a bumblee. Obviously I'm missing something here or I am operating under a false assumption. I'm always trying to expand my BP knowledge and would love for someone to clear this up for me. Thanks in advance!

A bumble bee is a pastel spider (pastel x spider)
A killer bee is a superpastel spider (bumble bee x pastel)
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Tosha

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In terms of genetics, what is the difference? What has the killerbee inherited that the spider has not? I'm more confused about the genetics here than anything else...

Bumblebee is a heterozygous pastel x spider (either heterozygous or homozygous as they appear to be a dominant)

A Killerbee is a homozygous pastel x spider (same as above)
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Randall L Turner Jr.
Boas make the world go round.

OK going back and rereading your previous post let me correct a couple of things pastels are co-dom (they have a super or are het for super pastel if you prefer - not to be confused with a recessive het.) and Spiders are dominant (do not have a visual super) also a killer bee is not produced by breeding a super pastel to a Spider that would give you 50% bumbles, and pastels. It is produced by breeding either two bumbles or a bumble and a pastel. In essence it needs to get a pastel gene from both parents and a spider gene from at least one.

Does that clear it up or muddy it more? LOL
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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

6.42.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi)
0.1.0 Bredls Python (Smurfette)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.0 frogs rescued from pool skimmer
0.0.1 Lizard of unknown origin

25% Pastel, 25% Bumble Bee, 25% Super Pastel, 25% Killer Bees if I did my squares right.
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Mike and David at 3-D Pythons
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that absolutely cleared things up. thanks for the info tosha!

You are probably refering to my message down below where Bruce posted pics of his superpastel breeding a female spider. And then again where he showed pictures of his male and female superpastels. A bumblebee is a pastel spider. A killerbee is a SUPER pastel spider. When Bruce breeds his male superpastel to his female spider he should get both bumblebees and pastels. If he gets a male bumblebee, once it reaches adulthood he can breed it to his female superpastel and have the possibility of producing Killer bees, superpastels, bumblebees and pastels.

Mark

>I'm still learning about genetics and I'm once again stumped. I thought that a bumblebee was produced in a pastel x spider breeding. In this breeding you would have a 25% chance to produce bumblebees since pastel and spiders are technically heterozygous (I think?). Then I read that a killerbee is produced in a super pastel x spider breeding. I'm confused though because I would think that in this breeding you are simply just increasing your chances at getting a bumblee. Obviously I'm missing something here or I am operating under a false assumption. I'm always trying to expand my BP knowledge and would love for someone to clear this up for me. Thanks in advance!

yes that thread defintely threw me off but after reading some helpful responses including yours, i now understand the genetics involved in both "bees". thanks!