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quick question...what if...

rydair Mar 06, 2006 07:13 PM

I was just wondering what someone would do if there large burm accidentaly got a hold of one of there smaller pets, lets say a ferret, cat or small dog. Naturally your first instinct would be to pull your furry friend from certain death but that could get you seriously injured and almost certainly kill the probably allready dead pet. What would someone do in that situation? Just wondering thanks!
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Rydair

0.0.1 Savanna Monitor (Were guessing girl)
0.0.1 Painted Turtal
0.0.1 Red Eared Slider
1.0.0 Hampster
1.1.0 Parakeets
1.0.0 Ferret
0.1.0 African Clawed Frog
0.1.0 Cat
15 assorted fish
all in the bedroom of a 17 year old gal

Replies (16)

ginebig Mar 06, 2006 08:21 PM

Sorry, but if the burm's already got a grip on fluffy or spot he gets dinner. I'm not interfering.

Quig

evilnike Mar 06, 2006 09:07 PM

Personal Instance.

About 18 months ago, five months after I bought my first burm, I dropped in a medium sized mouse into his cage. I usually fed live at the time, and this was one of those instances. 90% of the time, I dropped the meal directly in the snakes view area, after I had removed his hide ( the tank was rather small at the moment, I hadn't upgraded at that time. ). Again, this was no different than before. By the time the furry little guy hit the bedding, the burm had already poised for the strike, and went for the kill. He missed on this occasion however, and instead of a good hit behind the head, he snapped onto the hind legs, leaving the upper body free enough to fight for the short time the little guy lived. When he rolled the animal into the clutches, the little mouse gave up a fight and starting biting the snakes body. Now... me, not wanting to have my snake scarred, or possibly sickened with an infected injury, I reached in with a toothpick and attempted to hold the mouses mouth away from the skin, until the job was done.

This was my first, last, and only mistake in this type of situation.

The burm, apparantly scented the mouse still on my hand, and released his kill, and struck at me without a single ounce of wasted time. I had little chance to get back, and got a nice bite on the corner of the index finger, full and complete with blood. I got him off me easily, and after fifteen minutes or so, his agitation wore off and he ate the dead mouse. Lucky for me he was barely 6 months old and not large enough yet to do any real damage to me. I treated both of our wounds, his much later in the evening, and he healed from it with no problem. My pride however, still hasn't healed.

So, from my personal experience.. if the burm gets Fluffy.. call up the vet and see if they have another one available for adoption. Otherwise, you got some explainin to do. Say a prayer for the lost pet, but silently pat the burm on the back for a job well done, after all, it was only acting on instinct.

JLExotics Mar 07, 2006 09:50 PM

had something similar to this happen with a bali retic I had. He was on his 8th Jumbo Rat and the rat was getting ready to chomp. I grabbed it's head and held it still. The retic clenched tight and the rat somehow turned it's head and the bite went straight to the bone. No big deal...just a nice scar across the finger to remind me what rats can do. Still...no feeder is going to bite my animals. This retic wouldn't take anything but live at the time, I usually feed F/T.
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tcdrover Mar 07, 2006 08:18 AM

I was just thinking about this. This morning I noticed someone
has a ferret in their balconey next to where I live. I used to
have one & I really loved that spastic little weasil...

Ferrets are very quick, but if the burm gets a decent wrap on
it, the ferret has no chance. Also, the ferret will be used to
just playing not dodging real attacks. I think a full grown
burm may be too big to consider a ferret a prey item though.

If the ferret sees him ahead of time it should be able to avoid
it, but that's probably not going to be the case...

rottenweiler9 Mar 07, 2006 12:56 PM

I would have to say if my dog was just tagged by my snake I would be getting involved. Sorry, but I love my dog and well as much as you may hate me the snake would lose. I would first try a couple things in a hurry, because by the time you called a vet your dog would be gone. Try pouring all my absoult vodka on it, I watched somthing that showed this may work. Other wise I would grab the back of its head and try to get it to let go. Thats what I did when I got my hand tagged. I don't care how many hits I take the dog comes first no different if it was someone else.
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rydair Mar 07, 2006 01:21 PM

well that was what i was afraid of...guess the only thing you can do is make absolutly sure that the snake never gets a chance. The reason i was asking is because durring the next 3 months my burm and my ferret have to be housed in the same room. I have a sturdy custom made home for the burm tho and im confident he wont escape, im just preparing for the worst case senario tho, just in case. I suppose theres nothing i would be able to do, a ferret is verry small compared to a burm and im sure hed be killed instantly.

Thanks for your responces i really appreciate it!
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Rydair

0.0.1 Savanna Monitor (Were guessing girl)
1.0.0 Black Bear Hampster
1.0.0 Parakeet
1.0.0 Ferret
1.0.0 Angora Rabbit
0.1.0 Cat
15 assorted fish

Carmichael Mar 07, 2006 02:03 PM

This goes hand in hand with responsible ownership of large snakes. If this situation happened, you shouldn't own a large snake. If it did happen, I would try like heck to disengage the other pet (with another person at my side who knows how to deal with large constrictors). Depending on the situation, if it was too late, I wouldn't take a chance....and then I would admit that I am not capable of owning a large snake and find a new home for it!

>>I was just wondering what someone would do if there large burm accidentaly got a hold of one of there smaller pets, lets say a ferret, cat or small dog. Naturally your first instinct would be to pull your furry friend from certain death but that could get you seriously injured and almost certainly kill the probably allready dead pet. What would someone do in that situation? Just wondering thanks!
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>>Rydair
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>>0.0.1 Savanna Monitor (Were guessing girl)
>>0.0.1 Painted Turtal
>>0.0.1 Red Eared Slider
>>1.0.0 Hampster
>>1.1.0 Parakeets
>>1.0.0 Ferret
>>0.1.0 African Clawed Frog
>>0.1.0 Cat
>>15 assorted fish
>>all in the bedroom of a 17 year old gal
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Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, IL

evilnike Mar 07, 2006 04:18 PM

I think Rob is being a little bit over reactive. Accidents occasionally happen.. and if anyone has ever owned a ferret, they know that those little rats figure out how to get into EVERYTHING. Now... this isn't to say that a ferret would intentionally get into a cage with a python.. or any other animal for that matter, but it could happen.

I'm sure the question was a basic 'What If' question, and I think all reptile ( or any other pet ) owners have had their fair share of "OOPS! I didn't mean to... " stories. I shared one of mine, although it wasn't quite the same situation as he was asking about. But, accidents are bound to happen in the lifetime of a snake that can live for 20 years. If they don't, or haven't.. then count yourself lucky. Just because an accident happens, doesn't mean you should immediately toss out the idea of being a large snake owner. It just means its time to evaluate the general safety of everything, and go over your habits with a fine tooth comb.. and try to ensure that it won't happen again.

I suppose a good word to all of us, including myself, is " There's no such thing as too careful. "

goini04 Mar 07, 2006 05:19 PM

While I somewhat agree with what you are saying, I have to agree with Mr. Carmichael. I understand that mistakes happen. However, there are certain mistakes that SHOULD NOT happen. I have owned ferrets as well. I understand their habits of getting into everything. However, if you are a responsible owner, then your cage will be LOCKED and the only time it will be unlocked is during times of maintenance or general routine handling. This isn't just for safety of your other pets, it's for YOUR and EVERYONE ELSE's safety as well within that household. I am pretty sure that Mr. Carmichael understood perfectly well that this is a "What If" scenario question, and I feel that his response was directed towards that "What If" scenario.

It's possible to have small incidents between you and the snake from time to time. They can be avoided for the majority by following some general safety guidelines. However, in my opinion there should be NO TIME when there is an incident between two different pets as the animals should ALWAYS be under your supervision. In my opinion, it's called "Responsible Ownership".

Chris

>>I think Rob is being a little bit over reactive. Accidents occasionally happen.. and if anyone has ever owned a ferret, they know that those little rats figure out how to get into EVERYTHING. Now... this isn't to say that a ferret would intentionally get into a cage with a python.. or any other animal for that matter, but it could happen.
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>>I'm sure the question was a basic 'What If' question, and I think all reptile ( or any other pet ) owners have had their fair share of "OOPS! I didn't mean to... " stories. I shared one of mine, although it wasn't quite the same situation as he was asking about. But, accidents are bound to happen in the lifetime of a snake that can live for 20 years. If they don't, or haven't.. then count yourself lucky. Just because an accident happens, doesn't mean you should immediately toss out the idea of being a large snake owner. It just means its time to evaluate the general safety of everything, and go over your habits with a fine tooth comb.. and try to ensure that it won't happen again.
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>>I suppose a good word to all of us, including myself, is " There's no such thing as too careful. "
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Carmichael Mar 07, 2006 05:22 PM

My primary point (though I do agree with you somewhat) is that you oftentimes don't get a second chance to make a first mistake when it comes to working with large constrictors. Unless you have an eye for detail and the competency and resources to back it up, you shouldn't be owning a large snake like a burm. Of course accidents happen but I would venture to say that VERY few individuals will ever keep their burms for 20 years because most of these animals will become unwanted pets w/in their first few years (yes, a generalization but I'm basing this on statistics that we have been keeping over the past 15 years). But, yes, my initial comment was a bit overreactive but only to make a very strong point that I won't back off from.

>>I think Rob is being a little bit over reactive. Accidents occasionally happen.. and if anyone has ever owned a ferret, they know that those little rats figure out how to get into EVERYTHING. Now... this isn't to say that a ferret would intentionally get into a cage with a python.. or any other animal for that matter, but it could happen.
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>>I'm sure the question was a basic 'What If' question, and I think all reptile ( or any other pet ) owners have had their fair share of "OOPS! I didn't mean to... " stories. I shared one of mine, although it wasn't quite the same situation as he was asking about. But, accidents are bound to happen in the lifetime of a snake that can live for 20 years. If they don't, or haven't.. then count yourself lucky. Just because an accident happens, doesn't mean you should immediately toss out the idea of being a large snake owner. It just means its time to evaluate the general safety of everything, and go over your habits with a fine tooth comb.. and try to ensure that it won't happen again.
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>>I suppose a good word to all of us, including myself, is " There's no such thing as too careful. "
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Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, IL

Rydair Mar 07, 2006 07:55 PM

Id just like to say that this has not happened to me and i dont plan on it ever happening to me. My burms tank has 3 locks on it, two of which are sliding locks the third requires an actual key to keep out the children. Another thing id like to say is that im a firm believer in knowing what your getting into before you purchase an animal and that you are making a consious and unconsious contract with yourself to provide everything that animal needs for its entire lifespan. With that being said I have no plans on ever getting rid of my snake wether an unfortunat incedent like this occors or not.

Thankyou for your replies!
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Rydair

0.0.1 Savanna Monitor (Were guessing girl)
1.0.0 Black Bear Hampster
1.0.0 Parakeet
1.0.0 Ferret
1.0.0 Angora Rabbit
0.1.0 Cat
15 assorted fish

evilnike Mar 08, 2006 02:39 PM

Well, I have to say that I totally agree with the safety precautions, and the statement that other pets such as ferrets should not be housed in the same room as a large python. But, as I mentioned, sometimes even the freakiest of accidents happen. That was all my previous post entailed.. that huge 'what if' factor. Granted, anyone who owns a Burm should know all the do's and dont's of the animal, but.........

What if a freak bolt of lightening hit the lock on the cage, snapping it loose, but left the 14 foot animal alive.... and it climbed out of the cage, slithered its way under the closed and locked door to its containment room, and up the three flights of stairs into lil Janies room and decided that it liked the look of her pet hamster, and proceeded to strike its cage until it fell off the table, and popped open, letting the hamster run free, thereby making the small pet its next meal, which in turn makes the hamster squeal in its dying breaths, which wakes Janie up .. who of course screams to the top of her lungs, and the snake continues to ingest the meal, stopping only for a moment to ask that Janie " Please keep it down, I'm trying to eat ", while politely keeping its prey out of sight enough to try and calm little Janie down a bit.

I mean.. What If? Yes yes.. that will probably never happen ( and if it does.. I want to see you on Leno!) But.. the rare mistake is bound to happen. We're only human.

ginebig Mar 08, 2006 03:15 PM

A fourteen footer would probably have gone after lil Janie instead of the hamster. but I understand yer point .

Quig

tcdrover Mar 08, 2006 08:11 AM

They are incredibly intelligent and persistant...

Mine was able to open the door to my room by pushing and pulling it from two inches above the ground with her little
claws.

She could do this anytime she wanted. She'd only do it to follow me around, but it was pretty impressive. She also learned how to climb over three feet to get into my bed so she could sleep with me when I was sleeping.

I wouldn't keep a ferret anywhere near my boas or pythons...

jfmoore Mar 08, 2006 04:56 AM

Keep a bottle of rubbing alcohol in your snake room. Pat some of the liquid over the nostrils of the snake, or pour just a few drops in the front of the snake's mouth where it's tongue is located. That would be your best hope for getting the snake to release its bite.

Then what would you do about its coils if it didn't also release its grip?

>>I was just wondering what someone would do if there large burm accidentaly got a hold of one of there smaller pets, lets say a ferret, cat or small dog. Naturally your first instinct would be to pull your furry friend from certain death but that could get you seriously injured and almost certainly kill the probably allready dead pet. What would someone do in that situation? Just wondering thanks!
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>>Rydair

croc18 Mar 08, 2006 03:38 PM

I would have to let the fury guy go. I don't think it would be worth trying to save it. Of course it also would depend on how big the burm is.

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