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Any ideas what these are?

sw20mr2drvr Mar 07, 2006 12:36 AM

I was thinking that the first on is some sort of agama and the second a whiptail?? I have no idea really.

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sw20mr2drvr Mar 07, 2006 12:37 AM

The first one being some sort of whiptail and the second an agamid.

Ingo Mar 07, 2006 01:55 AM

Both are agamids.
The first one is a Leiolepis spec.-maybe a juvenile L. belliana, but I do not dare to give an exact ID on that Pic.

The second is an Agama spec or a Laudakia spec.
Agaibn I do not dare to say more...

Do you have clearer Pics?

Ci@o

Ingo

sw20mr2drvr Mar 08, 2006 01:15 AM

Ill try and get beter pics.

sw20mr2drvr Mar 08, 2006 01:38 AM

Not exactly more clear, but the best I oculd get from the person caring for these guys. I guess she only has a camera phone.

Ingo Mar 10, 2006 12:57 AM

The leiolepis should be L . guttata, not belliana.
With the Agama or Laudaki aI do no tdare to say. Alsways difficult with females.

Ci@o

Ingo

sw20mr2drvr Mar 08, 2006 01:41 AM

Would would you suggest for husbandry for each? Temps, enclosure furnishings/ size, humidity, diet, etc.

Thanks for your help!

Ingo Mar 10, 2006 01:13 AM

Hi,

Leiolepis are always a challenge. Many specimes do seemingly well for a few weeks or even months but later rapidly decline and die.
So its important to provide optimum conditions.
To my knowledge and expereince, these are:
-Big tanks! Thesesmall lizards are very active, shy and steress sensitive-and they are great runenrs. 7 x 3 ft ground space are hence about the least to start with. Height matters less, since they do not climb.
-Dry areas to run, moist ares to hide in. In the wild they prefer the edges of moist forests and spend a lot of their time on sandy and hot areas -liek beaches- close to these.
So they need a large sandy area in theri tank and either the ability to dig long tunnels (Clay/sand mixture) or the presence of artificial tunnels and hide boxes.
The substrate within tunnels and hide boxes has to be more than slightly humid.
-hot temps. Digestion in these species only works well at "Uromastx " temps. So the basking spot and a larger area of the tank should reach temps in the 110F range.
-Bright lights. Under Dim lights they become more and more inactive, eat les and decline. Strong metal halides are hence a MUST!
Diet: They do eat the usual feede rinsects but also need a certain percentage of vegetarian food.
Additional info: They have a strong pair bonding -rare in lizards- and its not trivial to find partners which get along with each other. On the other hand they are social animals which do live in larger groups in the wild.

For the Laudakia or Agama female I can not give too much details without having an exact ID. Anyhow, most members of both Geni would do well in a reasonably sized svannah enclosure with some rock pile s and trunks to climb on.
Mos species are much much hardier than Leiolepis.

Hope that helps

Ingo

sw20mr2drvr Mar 12, 2006 09:31 PM

Thanks so much for the info! Ill let you know how they fare.

Best regards!

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