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Winter (cold weather) shipping pictorial

jeff favelle Mar 08, 2006 12:40 AM

Let me first start by saying that if you don’t feel comfortable shipping in cold weather, then don’t. Stressing about a live animal shipment has got to be one of the worst things in the world. Just wait if you feel that uneasy or if you are an inexperienced shipper.

Having said that, cold-weather shipping through the airlines is EASY! Don’t let people tell you its hard, because its not. You have to know what you’re doing, yes, but that’s no different than most things.

So here we go:

Its all starts with a twinkle in your eye, a few emails/phone calls, and some money in your bank account! Step one, get a GOOD box. Try and look for ones that have the symbol on it them that rate either the R-value or what the box can withstand:

Next, line the inside of the box with either ½”, 5/8”, or ¾” Styrofoam. Again, easy as pie:

Don’t forget your labels for the box. Doesn’t matter when you do it (most do it last), but make sure its clear and well-marked:

Next, we make up the gel packs. Think of “magic bag”. These are like ice-packs (in fact, they ARE ice packs) and can be found anywhere. They hold heat longer than water, and take longer to acquire or lose temperature. THUS, they are MODERATORS of temperature. That’s a good thing, right?:

After super-heating the gel-packs to 100-120F (YES, that high. Higher if you want), you need to wrap them, ala fish & chips:

Then, I make a divide for the shipping box, with the animals going on one side, and the heat on the other. Kinda reminds you of a cage, no? ‘cept that the snakes can’t choose the gradient. But that’s good. You want them snug.

Next up, we have appropriately-sized containers. Common sense. Nothing extraordinarily complicated about what size to use:

Baby:

Another baby:

Yearling:

2-year old:

All nice and snug in their compartments:

You don’t want the containers to shift and end up on a gel pack (can we say overheating?), so use newspaper (also a great heat-sink/insulator) to secure everything in place:

Gel packs are great, but for longer flights, you’ll need something that will actually PRODUCE heat. Thankfully, the tropical fish industry already thought of this for us and now we have time-release heat packs. Being exposed to the air “activates” them, and they get to about 90-100F. But they are very small, and although the surface temp is 95F or so, the air around them is NO WHERE NEAR that temp. So sometimes I use 2. rarely 3:

Close it all up, get to the airport EARLY (your flight was most likely booked 36 hours previous), and make sure all your labels are on and everything’s taped down.

Hard? NO!!!! Are there some concepts to get your head around if you’ve never done it before? Of course. But don’t let people scare you into thinking that its dangerous or difficult, just because they are scared to do it.

Cheers doodz.

Replies (19)

avdnco Mar 08, 2006 07:48 AM

Thanks so much for posting this>>> I'm sure it will come in handy in the future.
If you send me those loaded tupperware, I'll return them with cookies...( mom always taught never to return a plate empty)hahaha.
Thanks again
BRGDS,
AVD
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jeff favelle Mar 08, 2006 01:58 PM

You know, I've NEVER gotten any of those containers back!! And certainly not with any cookies, ha ha!!!

jyohe Mar 08, 2006 03:25 PM

for the deli cups ..especially with baby snakes...like corns...use paper towels even....they fill the whole cup yet give places for the snake to crawl around in..and even if it ends up sideways and upside down they can be comfortable to not be thrown around inside the cup....

.........Frank Pinello actually shipped to me this way and I have done it the one time I actually shipped.....

good luck...Thanxx..........
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TomChambers Mar 08, 2006 05:58 PM

very nice outline Jeff.

I don't ship, but now if I ever have to, It will be done correctly.

thanks again

TomChambers

alicecobb Mar 08, 2006 06:31 PM

it was great!

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Alice Cobb

jeff favelle Mar 08, 2006 06:56 PM

Nice albino!!! I love fat albinos! Well...in Ball Pythons anyways.

SnakeSmith Mar 08, 2006 06:53 PM

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jeff favelle Mar 08, 2006 06:58 PM

If it saves even ONE snake, then it was worth the 20 minutes to put the pics together. And if it helps ONE person become an experienced cold-weather shipper, who can then teach other people, then it will be INVALUABLE!

Thanks guys. Good luck (although you won't need it if you pack properly, ha ha!).

wftright Mar 08, 2006 07:12 PM

Jeff,

Is this presentation on your website? If not, could you include it? I think you've created a great resource here, and its inclusion on your website would make your site a more valuable resource to the reptile community.

Thanks,

Bill
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jeff favelle Mar 08, 2006 11:57 PM

I'll be sure to include it! I'll fire up Dreamweaver tonight and make a page for it. Shouldn't take more than 10 minutes, now that the photos are all uploaded to the webspace.

Thanks man,

jmartin104 Mar 09, 2006 05:11 AM

Very good! I would like to add a couple of things:

1) Be careful with heating gel/ice packs. Some specifically warn against heating. I know the ones I use do.

2) The Lacey Act likely applies to the package so ensure it is properly labeled.

3) You put the temp in celsius. I would also put it in fahrenheit. Not everyone uses celsius.
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Jay A. Martin
Jay Martin Reptiles

jeff favelle Mar 09, 2006 12:51 PM

You put the temp in celsius. I would also put it in fahrenheit. Not everyone uses celsius.

Everywhere but the US does.

ginebig Mar 09, 2006 01:29 PM

LOL good point, and I'm American

Quig

toshamc Mar 09, 2006 02:14 PM

Actually Jay does have a good point ... This is not the Canadian or European forum - if you are on the US forum to advise Americans on how to ship - you should try to inform them of how to do it appropriately for their country. We do have specific packaging requirements, federal labeling regulations, etc. that need to be met in order to legally ship snakes here - as well as the fact that most Americans cannot conveinently convert *C to *F. Grant it most people don't follow these guideline but they are there.
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LKirkland Mar 09, 2006 07:52 PM

Celsius To Fahrenheit Converter
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Louis Kirkland
Cornerstone Reptiles

jmartin104 Mar 10, 2006 05:40 AM

This will come in real handy to the guy loading the plane with no access to a computer. Really, it's a small step to add both and any chance to keep your animal safe is worth it IMHO.
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Jay A. Martin
Jay Martin Reptiles

LKirkland Mar 10, 2006 12:51 PM

I didn't post the link for the guy loading the plane. I posted it in response to Tosha's comment that a lot of us have trouble with the conversion between the two. I recently came across the site and thought it was worth hanging on to. Just thought I would share with you guys since the subject came up.
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Louis Kirkland
Cornerstone Reptiles

jmartin104 Mar 10, 2006 12:58 PM

Oh, ok. I didn't want the intent of my original post to get lost in the "small stuff". My wife is from Iceland where they use celsius. But since no one here uses it, neither does she. She had to adjust to F. It would be nice if everyone use the same thing. Oh well.
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Jay A. Martin
Jay Martin Reptiles

jmartin104 Mar 09, 2006 02:41 PM

Which then is even more important for you to know. Unless you are living outside of the US - then you can just press the little read EASY button
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Jay A. Martin
Jay Martin Reptiles

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