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I was told by my veterinarian to give my snakes with mites baths in mineral oil soaked paper towels twice a week.
I did this, twice to one boa (the first one with mites who gave them to the rest) and once to 7 other boas and 3 corn snakes. These snakes (Baths 6-19-03) are all darkened and shiny, but not a good shiny... and they are all shedding in pieces and having much trouble when they used to shed perfectly. Some, especially 2 boas and 1 corn snake, seem to have 'shed' off the outside layer of their skin(?) leaving each scale covering seperately stuck to the enclosure. They all seem to have come off seperately as none are attached to others. They were stuck to the enclsure with mineral oil. These 3 snakes seem to be especially sensitive as when I gave them a bath in water they seemed in pain and extremely stressed out compared to all the others.

All of these snakes colors have darkened and do not seem to be improving and it has been almost 6 weeks since the bath/s. Most are eating good...the one that had 2 baths has not eaten since.

I have attached a pic of a boa that had 1 bath and did not lose the outside coverings of her scales.

Please offer any advice on this matter...and please DO NOT give your snakes baths in mineral oil!!

Thank you.

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Nicole Gustafson
Coal's Constrictors (formerly Coal's Cold-Blooded Creations - changed to simplify and there is another 'Cold Blooded Creations'...I'm not trying to hide from anyone or anything!
Cook Minnesota

BOAS:
Gavin, Lydia, Hailee, and Jade ~ Dumeril's
Wyatt, Sheena, Shaylee, and Mary Jane ~ Columbian
Desdemona ~ Peruvian
Madeline ~ Surinam
Avery ~ Bolivian

CORNS:
Kiana and Sierra ~ Amel
Casper and Kissa ~ Anery
Tripp and Scarlet ~ Bloodred
Aidan ~ Ghost
Skylar ~ Anery Hurricane
Ariel ~ Striped Amel
Lily ~ Blizzard
Ambur ~ Creamsicle
Neva ~ Snow
Sage ~ Normal

BEARDED DRAGONS:
Divine ~ Silver Pastel
Christopher ~ Sandfire Red x Sandfire Yellow
Baby ~ Snow

CAT:
Morgan ~ Calico Tabby

DOGS:
Maximillion Vasco von Katzel and Len-Mar-'s Lexed Leas ~ AKC German Shepherds

HORSES:
Mateo ~ Palomino Paint Quarter Gelding
Chic ~ 3/4 Quarter 1/4 Arabian Bay Mare
Rayna ~ 7/8 Quarter 1/8 Arabian Palomino Filly
Dallas ~ Palomino Quarter Gelding
Banner ~ Red Dun Quarter Mare
Chance ~ Buckskin Dun Quarter Stud Colt

My ball python lost the outer layer of her scales a couple years ago. I don't know if this is typical or not, but she went into shed again within the week, and with the new shed she was back to normal.

I hope mine do the same.
Thanks,
Nicole
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Nicole Gustafson
Coal's Constrictors (formerly Coal's Cold-Blooded Creations - changed to simplify and there is another 'Cold Blooded Creations'...I'm not trying to hide from anyone or anything!
Cook Minnesota

BOAS:
Gavin, Lydia, Hailee, and Jade ~ Dumeril's
Wyatt, Sheena, Shaylee, and Mary Jane ~ Columbian
Desdemona ~ Peruvian
Madeline ~ Surinam
Avery ~ Bolivian

CORNS:
Kiana and Sierra ~ Amel
Casper and Kissa ~ Anery
Tripp and Scarlet ~ Bloodred
Aidan ~ Ghost
Skylar ~ Anery Hurricane
Ariel ~ Striped Amel
Lily ~ Blizzard
Ambur ~ Creamsicle
Neva ~ Snow
Sage ~ Normal

BEARDED DRAGONS:
Divine ~ Silver Pastel
Christopher ~ Sandfire Red x Sandfire Yellow
Baby ~ Snow

CAT:
Morgan ~ Calico Tabby

DOGS:
Maximillion Vasco von Katzel and Len-Mar-'s Lexed Leas ~ AKC German Shepherds

HORSES:
Mateo ~ Palomino Paint Quarter Gelding
Chic ~ 3/4 Quarter 1/4 Arabian Bay Mare
Rayna ~ 7/8 Quarter 1/8 Arabian Palomino Filly
Dallas ~ Palomino Quarter Gelding
Banner ~ Red Dun Quarter Mare
Chance ~ Buckskin Dun Quarter Stud Colt

Hi Nicole,
A few things you need to know……
You seem to have a great deal of snakes (I make this leap by the list that you post at the end of your postings, 11 boas of different spps and 13 corns!) but your knowledge of them seems to be lacking a bit. Don’t get me wrong, we all start out somewhere and learn for our mistakes. You have picked a great place to get advice and help, but this should not be your soul source of information. Much of this research should have been done before acquiring such a large collection. But many new herpers make the same mistake, they get a lot of animals very quickly because they get addicted to them. Now you must learn about your animals and help prevent mistakes like this in the future. Jeff is correct, a vet may not have a clue about how to treat your snakes, but is great with your cat and dog. The only thing to fault the vet with, is him/her not coming clean and letting you know that he/she does not have a great deal of experience with herps. My own vet is a bird person and is learning about herps as we go along, together we sit down and discuss our treatments of my animals. I rely on her ability to culture infections for ID, and basic medical knowledge, while she relies on my 20 years of knowledge and research of the animals in which I keep. She will ask my opinion on what I feel (based upon my reading and experience) is the problem with my snake, most common issues are obvious to me nowadays, small mouth infections or Upper respiratory infections are easily seen and identified. I know what the problem is and it is the vets job to culture the infection so we can determine the best antibiotic to use for that particular bug. If I did not have the knowledge that I have, I don’t think that the vet and I would make such a good team and my animals treatment would suffer. But I have researched such things over the years and can provide this information to my vet.
You don’t yet have that knowledge, mainly because you are still new to the hobby (again my assumption) So you need to do a bit of research. Dr. Mader has a fantastic medical reference book that I would recommend you get, enter his name into the search engine on Amazon.com for it. It is obvious that you vet does not use this has his/her reference. It is also obvious that your vet is using an outdate reference book, probably from the early 80’s. Many reference books, from this time were very generic and mineral oil was commonly suggested as a treatment for mites. It should not cause permanent harm to your snakes, but you should was it off. If your snakes still have mites, then treat them in a few weeks with one of the cage sprays out there to treat mites (black flagg, pro-vent a mite etc…) A few other thing that your vet my try a recommend that you should avoid…. Ivermectin (oral or inject able) it is a blood stream poison that is used to kill blood sucking parasites as well as internal parasites. It is very toxic on reptiles and although snakes handle it better then most, I would still avoid it as there has not be a good dosage worked out for reptiles for this med. The other would be a Vapona (pesticide) strip. This too is an old method in which this fumigant is place into a snake cage and the cage is covered to prevent fresh air from coming in. This was used a great deal in the 70’s and 80‘s and started to fall off in the 90’s when people realized that it was the pesticide that was causing organ failure with their snakes. The idea here was to get enough Vapona into the cage to kill the mites, but balance it with still keeping the snake alive! Not a good way to do things, BTW Vapona was ban from household use in the US in the mid 80’s due to it’s toxicity to all forms of life!
My point on this post is simple, if not long winded. It is your responsibility to research your own animals. Your knowledge will only help your Vet choose the correct treatment for your animals. Your vet does not even need to be consulted on a mite problem, it is easily handled with information out there (see VPI { the Barkers} web site for more information on the treatment of mites). You must read and research what you can on the care of your animals.
Here you will get a dozen different opinions on what to do on each and every issue, but you need the basic knowledge for yourself to know what is best for your animals and what is not.
I wish you luck
Jim Hopkins

I do believe I have a lot of knowledge about my reptiles. I have studied the species I have a lot, and I also am the one at the vet office that commonly diagnoses the snakes and he double checks me and gives me meds, if needed.
As far as me asking questions, I often see the most experienced 'experts' ask questions on here also. My questions on here are not 'I just got a snake what do I do?' 'Can I house 2 snakes together?' or 'My snake is wheezing what does this mean and what do I do?'
I asked a question that you answered (thank you) about whether or not my boa is gravid. I stated that I learned a lot from The Boaphile's article that I base my breeding knowledge on, and I also own 'The Captive Husbandry and Propagation of the Boa Constrictors and Related Boas' by David Fogel and 'Boas' by Doug Wagner as well as many books related to corns and other herps I have had in the past. I have many printed out tons of care sheets from the internet in my files and refer to them also. Asking a question 'is my boa gravid' does not mean I have not researched it. It simply means that I have never bred boas and am looking for a second opinion. As far as my books go, she seems gravid in many ways. I took pics and posted them and her most recent record hoping someone could take a guess so I have a better idea of if my guesses are correct, whcih you generously offered your opinion. I'm sorry that I have never bred boas before and want to.
My question about the mineral oil and mites also does not say that I have not researched my animals. I asked my vet about the treatments listed in my books (No-Pest strips, Trichlorfon, Sevin dust, Mycodex, soaking, etc...) and he said all those have risks and are not that thorough at getting rid of the mites. He said that a mineral oil soak (in paper towels) for 20 minutes twice a week along with disinfecting the cages each day with bleach is the best bet at getting rid of them. I did this for a short while before asking advice on here about what I should do. I didnt think it could hurt to use mineral oil (I was wrong) so I got one treatment out of the way and then asked on here. I wish I would have looked into it sooner like I usually do but it's too late now and all I can do is learn from it.
Anyway, this is not my soul source of information.
My vet has a degree in reptiles and has treated them for 10 years.
Thank you for the reference to the up to date medical book. I will look into it immediately.
I do have a basic knowledge (more than basic, I believe) of all my animals.
I appreciate your help (greatly!) but I think you have misunderstood me. It happens. I know I made a mistake about the mineral oil and I have learned from it. I'm sure you have done the same in some other issue. I dont think it is something to judge me by solely.
Take care,
Nicole

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Nicole Gustafson
Coal's Constrictors (formerly Coal's Cold-Blooded Creations - changed to simplify and there is another 'Cold Blooded Creations'...I'm not trying to hide from anyone or anything!
Cook Minnesota

BOAS:
Gavin, Lydia, Hailee, and Jade ~ Dumeril's
Wyatt, Sheena, Shaylee, and Mary Jane ~ Columbian
Desdemona ~ Peruvian
Madeline ~ Surinam
Avery ~ Bolivian

CORNS:
Kiana and Sierra ~ Amel
Casper and Kissa ~ Anery
Tripp and Scarlet ~ Bloodred
Aidan ~ Ghost
Skylar ~ Anery Hurricane
Ariel ~ Striped Amel
Lily ~ Blizzard
Ambur ~ Creamsicle
Neva ~ Snow
Sage ~ Normal

BEARDED DRAGONS:
Divine ~ Silver Pastel
Christopher ~ Sandfire Red x Sandfire Yellow
Baby ~ Snow

CAT:
Morgan ~ Calico Tabby

DOGS:
Maximillion Vasco von Katzel and Len-Mar-'s Lexed Leas ~ AKC German Shepherds

HORSES:
Mateo ~ Palomino Paint Quarter Gelding
Chic ~ 3/4 Quarter 1/4 Arabian Bay Mare
Rayna ~ 7/8 Quarter 1/8 Arabian Palomino Filly
Dallas ~ Palomino Quarter Gelding
Banner ~ Red Dun Quarter Mare
Chance ~ Buckskin Dun Quarter Stud Colt

I did not mean to offend you, It just seemed that you were unsure on basic things and I was trying to suggest a bit of reading and research. The books that you mention are not bad books just a bit outdated and the treatments that they suggest (no pest striped are vapona) are actually a more recent treatment vs. the mineral oil treatment. Basically, it is 80’s style treatments vs. 70’s style treatments. I am glad that your vet has a degree in reptiles? I did not know that such a degree existed, I was always under the assumption that it was a specialty and not a degree of veterinary medicine.
My Suggestion in the research was based on extending your knowledge not to criticize it. A bit of expanded knowledge would have prevented your current problem and just a note on the bleach, it too is very toxic to animals especially in a confined area such as a tank, and too frequent cleaning with it can cause liver and kidney damage, there other disinfectants that can be used with out the side effects of chlorine. See the problem with science is that it is ever changing, and if people (including those with degrees) do not bother to keep up with the new information, then the old information can become more dangerous then good.
I wish you luck with them,.
Jim Hopkins

My vet told me that if I rinse out the tanks and wipe them the bleach wont hurt them, it also says that in some of my books...has this changed?

I'm not sure if it is a degree - there is a certificate on the wall of his office stating he passed courses in veterinary care in reptiles. I'm not sure exactly what this is??? I believe he has good knowledge, some just outdated, on reptiles. I am going to try to mention that he could be a little more up to date without hurting his feelings. There should be a refresher course they have to take every so many years to get updated in some fields that are not so popular that new info isnt seen constantly, like dog and cat vs. reptile and bird.

I deeply respect your knowledge and hope to gain some knowledge each and every day of my life. You have given me opinions and help on this forum as well as the corn snake forum I think (c-section corn about 2 months back?) that I greatly appreciate and I know many others do too.

I was not really offended- I just wanted to clear some things up because I dont like to have others have tainted views of me when it is just a simple mistake.
I'm not saying I am an expert or anything but I do believe I know a lot about the snakes I own and give them exceptional care.

If you are ever in northern MN I'd love to give you a tour and show you all my babies!

Take care,
Nicole

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Nicole Gustafson
Coal's Constrictors (formerly Coal's Cold-Blooded Creations - changed to simplify and there is another 'Cold Blooded Creations'...I'm not trying to hide from anyone or anything!
Cook Minnesota

BOAS:
Gavin, Lydia, Hailee, and Jade ~ Dumeril's
Wyatt, Sheena, Shaylee, and Mary Jane ~ Columbian
Desdemona ~ Peruvian
Madeline ~ Surinam
Avery ~ Bolivian

CORNS:
Kiana and Sierra ~ Amel
Casper and Kissa ~ Anery
Tripp and Scarlet ~ Bloodred
Aidan ~ Ghost
Skylar ~ Anery Hurricane
Ariel ~ Striped Amel
Lily ~ Blizzard
Ambur ~ Creamsicle
Neva ~ Snow
Sage ~ Normal

BEARDED DRAGONS:
Divine ~ Silver Pastel
Christopher ~ Sandfire Red x Sandfire Yellow
Baby ~ Snow

CAT:
Morgan ~ Calico Tabby

DOGS:
Maximillion Vasco von Katzel and Len-Mar-'s Lexed Leas ~ AKC German Shepherds

HORSES:
Mateo ~ Palomino Paint Quarter Gelding
Chic ~ 3/4 Quarter 1/4 Arabian Bay Mare
Rayna ~ 7/8 Quarter 1/8 Arabian Palomino Filly
Dallas ~ Palomino Quarter Gelding
Banner ~ Red Dun Quarter Mare
Chance ~ Buckskin Dun Quarter Stud Colt

np

http://www.printroom.com/ViewAlbum.asp?userid=Coal&album_id=150962

Check out these pics I just took of a yearling BCI shedding (trying to) after she had a mineral oil bath 6-19-03. These pics were taken today. (7-28-03 1 AM)
Mineral Oil and Snakes Pictures

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Nicole Gustafson
Coal's Constrictors (formerly Coal's Cold-Blooded Creations - changed to simplify and there is another 'Cold Blooded Creations'...I'm not trying to hide from anyone or anything!
Cook Minnesota

BOAS:
Gavin, Lydia, Hailee, and Jade ~ Dumeril's
Wyatt, Sheena, Shaylee, and Mary Jane ~ Columbian
Desdemona ~ Peruvian
Madeline ~ Surinam
Avery ~ Bolivian

CORNS:
Kiana and Sierra ~ Amel
Casper and Kissa ~ Anery
Tripp and Scarlet ~ Bloodred
Aidan ~ Ghost
Skylar ~ Anery Hurricane
Ariel ~ Striped Amel
Lily ~ Blizzard
Ambur ~ Creamsicle
Neva ~ Snow
Sage ~ Normal

BEARDED DRAGONS:
Divine ~ Silver Pastel
Christopher ~ Sandfire Red x Sandfire Yellow
Baby ~ Snow

CAT:
Morgan ~ Calico Tabby

DOGS:
Maximillion Vasco von Katzel and Len-Mar-'s Lexed Leas ~ AKC German Shepherds

HORSES:
Mateo ~ Palomino Paint Quarter Gelding
Chic ~ 3/4 Quarter 1/4 Arabian Bay Mare
Rayna ~ 7/8 Quarter 1/8 Arabian Palomino Filly
Dallas ~ Palomino Quarter Gelding
Banner ~ Red Dun Quarter Mare
Chance ~ Buckskin Dun Quarter Stud Colt

Nicole,
. If the skin problem is not too serious it will clear up the next time they shed like Ryan has described. If the snkes still have mineral oil on their skin it may continue to cause problems and it should be washed off with soap and water. It may take several washes and rinses to get it all off. If your vet is providing good care for your horses and dogs you should keep him/her to provide care for them. Most veterinarians have limited experience with herps and give very bad advice like your vet did in this case. You need to find a different vet with herp experience for your reptiles.
Jeff

>>I was told by my veterinarian to give my snakes with mites baths in mineral oil soaked paper towels twice a week.
>>I did this, twice to one boa (the first one with mites who gave them to the rest) and once to 7 other boas and 3 corn snakes. These snakes (Baths 6-19-03) are all darkened and shiny, but not a good shiny... and they are all shedding in pieces and having much trouble when they used to shed perfectly. Some, especially 2 boas and 1 corn snake, seem to have 'shed' off the outside layer of their skin(?) leaving each scale covering seperately stuck to the enclosure. They all seem to have come off seperately as none are attached to others. They were stuck to the enclsure with mineral oil. These 3 snakes seem to be especially sensitive as when I gave them a bath in water they seemed in pain and extremely stressed out compared to all the others.
>>
>>All of these snakes colors have darkened and do not seem to be improving and it has been almost 6 weeks since the bath/s. Most are eating good...the one that had 2 baths has not eaten since.
>>
>>I have attached a pic of a boa that had 1 bath and did not lose the outside coverings of her scales.
>>
>>Please offer any advice on this matter...and please DO NOT give your snakes baths in mineral oil!!
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
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>>Nicole Gustafson
>>Coal's Constrictors (formerly Coal's Cold-Blooded Creations - changed to simplify and there is another 'Cold Blooded Creations'...I'm not trying to hide from anyone or anything!
>>Cook Minnesota
>>
>>BOAS:
>>Gavin, Lydia, Hailee, and Jade ~ Dumeril's
>>Wyatt, Sheena, Shaylee, and Mary Jane ~ Columbian
>>Desdemona ~ Peruvian
>>Madeline ~ Surinam
>>Avery ~ Bolivian
>>
>>CORNS:
>>Kiana and Sierra ~ Amel
>>Casper and Kissa ~ Anery
>>Tripp and Scarlet ~ Bloodred
>>Aidan ~ Ghost
>>Skylar ~ Anery Hurricane
>>Ariel ~ Striped Amel
>>Lily ~ Blizzard
>>Ambur ~ Creamsicle
>>Neva ~ Snow
>>Sage ~ Normal
>>
>>BEARDED DRAGONS:
>>Divine ~ Silver Pastel
>>Christopher ~ Sandfire Red x Sandfire Yellow
>>Baby ~ Snow
>>
>>CAT:
>>Morgan ~ Calico Tabby
>>
>>DOGS:
>>Maximillion Vasco von Katzel and Len-Mar-'s Lexed Leas ~ AKC German Shepherds
>>
>>HORSES:
>>Mateo ~ Palomino Paint Quarter Gelding
>>Chic ~ 3/4 Quarter 1/4 Arabian Bay Mare
>>Rayna ~ 7/8 Quarter 1/8 Arabian Palomino Filly
>>Dallas ~ Palomino Quarter Gelding
>>Banner ~ Red Dun Quarter Mare
>>Chance ~ Buckskin Dun Quarter Stud Colt

Thank you for your help Jeff. I have been stressing over this constantly and waiting for them to shed it out but it isn't happening. Some are way better off than others though. No one seems to know what to do. I really appreciate your advice... what type of soap do you recommend using, and how hard should I scrub? Should I just use a washcloth? Should I go with the scales or against them also?
My vet does have a degree in reptiles and has always provided me good advice and care before (I think!) He did a great job when a female corn of mine needed a C-section and has always impressed me by the way he handles my boas. However, I am going to try searching for another vet around here who knows reptiles and see what I think of them. I usually use this forum as a 'second opinion' after my vet gives me diagnosis' or treatments if I cant find any info in a good book or a good web site but unfortunately I didnt ask on this one til after it was too late.
Thank you again for this information.

Take care,
Nicole
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Nicole Gustafson
Coal's Constrictors (formerly Coal's Cold-Blooded Creations - changed to simplify and there is another 'Cold Blooded Creations'...I'm not trying to hide from anyone or anything!
Cook Minnesota

BOAS:
Gavin, Lydia, Hailee, and Jade ~ Dumeril's
Wyatt, Sheena, Shaylee, and Mary Jane ~ Columbian
Desdemona ~ Peruvian
Madeline ~ Surinam
Avery ~ Bolivian

CORNS:
Kiana and Sierra ~ Amel
Casper and Kissa ~ Anery
Tripp and Scarlet ~ Bloodred
Aidan ~ Ghost
Skylar ~ Anery Hurricane
Ariel ~ Striped Amel
Lily ~ Blizzard
Ambur ~ Creamsicle
Neva ~ Snow
Sage ~ Normal

BEARDED DRAGONS:
Divine ~ Silver Pastel
Christopher ~ Sandfire Red x Sandfire Yellow
Baby ~ Snow

CAT:
Morgan ~ Calico Tabby

DOGS:
Maximillion Vasco von Katzel and Len-Mar-'s Lexed Leas ~ AKC German Shepherds

HORSES:
Mateo ~ Palomino Paint Quarter Gelding
Chic ~ 3/4 Quarter 1/4 Arabian Bay Mare
Rayna ~ 7/8 Quarter 1/8 Arabian Palomino Filly
Dallas ~ Palomino Quarter Gelding
Banner ~ Red Dun Quarter Mare
Chance ~ Buckskin Dun Quarter Stud Colt

n/p
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Erik Melander
All Eyes On You Web Media Productions
erik@alleyesonyou.ca
www.alleyesonyou.ca

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Nicole Gustafson
Coal's Constrictors (formerly Coal's Cold-Blooded Creations - changed to simplify and there is another 'Cold Blooded Creations'...I'm not trying to hide from anyone or anything!
Cook Minnesota

BOAS:
Gavin, Lydia, Hailee, and Jade ~ Dumeril's
Wyatt, Sheena, Shaylee, and Mary Jane ~ Columbian
Desdemona ~ Peruvian
Madeline ~ Surinam
Avery ~ Bolivian

CORNS:
Kiana and Sierra ~ Amel
Casper and Kissa ~ Anery
Tripp and Scarlet ~ Bloodred
Aidan ~ Ghost
Skylar ~ Anery Hurricane
Ariel ~ Striped Amel
Lily ~ Blizzard
Ambur ~ Creamsicle
Neva ~ Snow
Sage ~ Normal

BEARDED DRAGONS:
Divine ~ Silver Pastel
Christopher ~ Sandfire Red x Sandfire Yellow
Baby ~ Snow

CAT:
Morgan ~ Calico Tabby

DOGS:
Maximillion Vasco von Katzel and Len-Mar-'s Lexed Leas ~ AKC German Shepherds

HORSES:
Mateo ~ Palomino Paint Quarter Gelding
Chic ~ 3/4 Quarter 1/4 Arabian Bay Mare
Rayna ~ 7/8 Quarter 1/8 Arabian Palomino Filly
Dallas ~ Palomino Quarter Gelding
Banner ~ Red Dun Quarter Mare
Chance ~ Buckskin Dun Quarter Stud Colt

Everyone has their own methods of getting rid of mites.. some people use corn oil, prent-0-mite, no pests strips..etcetc.. For every 1 person that says something works.. there will be another person that will tell you its bad and give good reasons to support their statement. Heck some people use an item that is clearly marked as roach killer ... yet many swear its the best thing to use. Point im trying to make that regardless of what method you use to get rid of mites... there will always be someone to say "Yes that works" and "No you shouldnt use that"

One of my friends used corn oil on his snake to get off mites.. and he did not have the problem you face. He left the snake in a glass container for an hour or 2 soaked in corn oil.. Removed her and gave her a good washing... the next day he did this again. Nothing ever happened to the skin... she never had a bad shed even after. It just seems to me that you did not get off the oil from your snake intime for her shed...

Thanks for the info. I am now using Provent-a-mite, and water soakings. I asked my vet if I should wipe the oil off after and he said 'no, it isnt necessary.'
Today, thats what I'm doing.
Thanks fr your help!
Nicole
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Nicole Gustafson
Coal's Constrictors (formerly Coal's Cold-Blooded Creations - changed to simplify and there is another 'Cold Blooded Creations'...I'm not trying to hide from anyone or anything!
Cook Minnesota

BOAS:
Gavin, Lydia, Hailee, and Jade ~ Dumeril's
Wyatt, Sheena, Shaylee, and Mary Jane ~ Columbian
Desdemona ~ Peruvian
Madeline ~ Surinam
Avery ~ Bolivian

CORNS:
Kiana and Sierra ~ Amel
Casper and Kissa ~ Anery
Tripp and Scarlet ~ Bloodred
Aidan ~ Ghost
Skylar ~ Anery Hurricane
Ariel ~ Striped Amel
Lily ~ Blizzard
Ambur ~ Creamsicle
Neva ~ Snow
Sage ~ Normal

BEARDED DRAGONS:
Divine ~ Silver Pastel
Christopher ~ Sandfire Red x Sandfire Yellow
Baby ~ Snow

CAT:
Morgan ~ Calico Tabby

DOGS:
Maximillion Vasco von Katzel and Len-Mar-'s Lexed Leas ~ AKC German Shepherds

HORSES:
Mateo ~ Palomino Paint Quarter Gelding
Chic ~ 3/4 Quarter 1/4 Arabian Bay Mare
Rayna ~ 7/8 Quarter 1/8 Arabian Palomino Filly
Dallas ~ Palomino Quarter Gelding
Banner ~ Red Dun Quarter Mare
Chance ~ Buckskin Dun Quarter Stud Colt