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Every once in a while, I see on a website that the ceylonese python is no longer considered a subspecies, just another Python molurus. How true is this, and will they be getting as tough to get as true Indians if it is true?

I don't think anything is too tough to get if one is determined

But yes, I heard that the powers that be are considering them as pure molurus so as to lump them onto the Apendix-1 status and thus prevent their interstate shipping. I have never verified this rumor.

>>Every once in a while, I see on a website that the ceylonese python is no longer considered a subspecies, just another Python molurus. How true is this, and will they be getting as tough to get as true Indians if it is true?
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Ryan,
Python molurus pimbura is referenced as a subspecies under CITES Appendix I, but for ESA regulatory purposes it is designated as equivalent to molurus molurus, and has been for several years. This being the case, the US Fish and Wildlife Service, Division of Management Authority requires the same permits as those needed for activity with molurus molurus. I don't know if taxonomically pimbura has ever officially been lumped in with molurus molurus but if anyone knows I would be very interested.

Pure pimbura are quite distinct from the other two forms of the molurus group and in my opinion are the most impressive. They have a prominent pinkish-red color on the top and sides of the head and a more irregular pattern and more yellow in the background than the Indians. They are very alert and active snakes and behave very differently than Burmese or Indians. I have a small group of pure pimbura that originated from the ones Joe Pierce was working with over a decade ago. I believe that they represent a more tractable bloodline of pimbura as while they are very active when handled, they have never shown any sign of aggression or tried to bite.

I bought my first trio of ceylonese from Joe about 13 or 14 years ago. Up in Alturas. Is he still in the business?? I tried to find him recently and couldn't. If you have a number for him I would REALLY appreciate it. He had some of the YELLOWEST ceylonese I had ever seen. (Is he still a highway patrolman?)

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>>Pure pimbura are quite distinct from the other two forms of the molurus group and in my opinion are the most impressive. They have a prominent pinkish-red color on the top and sides of the head and a more irregular pattern and more yellow in the background than the Indians. They are very alert and active snakes and behave very differently than Burmese or Indians. I have a small group of pure pimbura that originated from the ones Joe Pierce was working with over a decade ago. I believe that they represent a more tractable bloodline of pimbura as while they are very active when handled, they have never shown any sign of aggression or tried to bite.
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Brian,
That is a coincidence. I tried to locate him a couple of years ago and was also unsuccessful. If anyone out there knows how to contact him I would surely be interested. Pimbura are one of my favorites and you are also quite correct about his breeders, as they were some of the finest I have seen. It has been many years since I have spoken with him but at that time he was still with the Highway Patrol. I will let you know if I come across any information on contacting him. Thanks,

Kelly

I too will post here if I hear of anything or find him. I really can't see why he would get out of the business. He was doing quite well at it even that long ago. Real nice guy too.

>>Brian,
>>That is a coincidence. I tried to locate him a couple of years ago and was also unsuccessful. If anyone out there knows how to contact him I would surely be interested. Pimbura are one of my favorites and you are also quite correct about his breeders, as they were some of the finest I have seen. It has been many years since I have spoken with him but at that time he was still with the Highway Patrol. I will let you know if I come across any information on contacting him. Thanks,
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>>Kelly
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It isn't "Ideas" that fail or succeed,... it is the "Systems" which are instilled to launch and sustain the idea that either fail or succeed.>[Me.]