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Ok, a serious question. Especially since KS pull my post of the silly snake guy I PS.
Sorry KS.

I've often wonder what made people pay $X for a newer morph? Is I do get in on the ground floor to try to make money (and be honest, this is America, making money is ok, if done right)? Is it just to have the newest morphs,(that you actually like, I HOPE!). Or is it something different?

I personally did not see a gray "morph" corn being all that attractive. Although latey I have seen a few that were clearly not just a gray colored corn. I also have learned you need that Anery to get to other morphs. This topic compounds the question why and how much?

I personal preferences run towards more colorful beasts, and the hypo bloodred, also the bloodred. The blood seems to have a big impact, maybe because of it's diffusion qualities?

OK, I'm going to list a few snakes I like and what I think are arbitrary values. JUST MY OPINION folks. I'd like to hear yours and also what your eye is on that is new/newer.

baby prices

Okeetees 25-50

Bandeds 35-60 I'd love to see more color morphs and selective breeding here

Sunglow 35-75 wide color I'd like to see these striped

Opal ????? Not really sure, And never thought I would like a corn this color, but I do. I also see corns in almost any color solid, striped, banded in 20 years. Then what?

Add in all the usuals, creams, crimsons. Most morphs with a lot of color or a great pattern.

I'm not sure how to price stripes and vanishing morphs? I think they are different to each morph? and how long someone has been doing it? Help me on that one please. I'm new.

Now what I want to see!

Pictures of

Axanthics
Fujis sp?
And calicos, this one seems to really catch my eye, but I can not find many good pictures and what the genetics is all about.

Ok, your mission is clear, Lets beat the record held by the blood red topic over and over lol. j/k I love bloods too.

Well, off to work, I hope to see a pile of replies when I get back.

Take care as always

tom
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tom

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Yo Tom,
The question, how much is it worth, is so subjective. Actually it boils down to how much is it worth to you. For instance, there are snakes in my collection that I could have gotten much cheaper than I did. But price isn't necessarily the most important consideration to me. Do I trust the breeder? Is the stock he/she produces top quality? These are more important than price. And then there is the question of my personal preferences. For instance, there are people who will pay thousands of $$$ for Ball Python morphs. I'm not likely to pay more than $75 for a good looking Ball. But if someone wants a high $$$ morph, more power to them. But what about making $$$? Before I went to seminary I managed three different Pet/Exotic Animal stores and I wholesaled Cichlid Fish from Lakes Malawi and Tanganyika. Believe me, making $$$ with animals is darn hard work and takes time and effort. I breed what I like and if I cover Food and Aspen costs from what I sell then I'm happy. One final thought--whatever someone likes is their thing and it doesn't matter what I think. The most important thing to me is to keep and breed what I like after obtaining it from a person I trust (when it comes to Corns, for me, that means Don, Kathy, Tom, Jimmy and the one who can not be named). And if it is a morph I like, I will gladly pay their prices rather than look for a bargain.
Just my $0.02!

Pat

I just watched Harry Potter last night and it just cracks me up that there is a breeder that can not be named. Is his name Voldemort? And why can't the breeder be named if the others can?
Just wondering.
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LOL Probably the only reason the breeder cannot be named is it triggers the profanity/banned filter. For reasons why somebody would be banned or even have their nic banned from the forums or chats, please read the Terms of Service, located here:

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We can say Voldermort, as he hasn't, as yet, violated any Muggle webpage TOS's yet LOL

Back to the main topic of this thread. The cost of various snake morphs, really comes down to a couple things:

Demand - if more people want it, the price typically is higher, especially when compined with a low...

Supply - if a particular morph is rare or very hard to 'create' then this drives the price especially coupled with the above reason.

Value to Buyer - This is a bit more varied. Face if, if you really really want something, you will pay any price you can afford. If the first breeder you go do has what you want and within your price range, alot will just buy it then and there, to avoid risk of having it sold to somebody else while shopping around. Course,this could mean the next breeder may have it cheaper.

Quality - Why buy cheap when you can pay more for much better quality? Quality in snake morphs typically means animals who are well cared for, get regular vet checks, have well fed and cared for parents etc. The genetic background could also be as genetically diverse as possible while maintaining the looks of a particular morph. (ie if several different breeders breed albinos but have completely unrelated bloodlines, adding the 'fresh' albino blood from the other breeder's stock refreshens your stock without loosing the genetic morph you breed. Out crossing for short LOL)

That's pretty much the main things that determine the price of a particular morph/snake. As corn snakes are very prolific, easy to breed and obtain (especially in the US since that is where they live in the wild LOL) and they have been in the pet trade for a very long time compared to say, ball pythons. The high cost of ball python morphs is mostly due to their smaller clutch size, finickiness in feeding, not always breeding every year or infrequent or rare double clutching. That and it's a bit harder to get healthy fresh wild caught animals, as they are imported etc. They have not become as popular as fast due to more difficulty in care, habit of not eating for long periods of time and panicking beginners LOL etc. That and the ball python morph field is exploding lately. They are highly expensive, to expensive despite the various factors that have driven up the price, but breeders can ask for whatever they want. People do buy them, mostly people who want to breed and sell the morphs themselve, especially $10K and up morphs. The rest of us, go for hets and possible hets and co-doms to get into the ball game LOL. Eventualy the ball python morph prices will drop, it may not be for another 20 years but one never knows. I still think there is alot of potential still in the corn snake and ball python markets to keep the profession interesting for all of us, advant collector, pet owner and breeder.
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PHLdyPayne

expensive morphs...

like a Baselisk? Anybody got any of those?

Walt

Er yup, I knew that. It was suppose to be more of a BS open flow of each opinions, that is by definition subjective, this subjective type statements tend to build conversation, and maybe debate.

It was rth simple

X 25
Y 50 going price is 10 over priced
Z 200 my fav

It seems to work better in live chats. Or EEEKKKK in person lol

ok, maybe next time

ty

tom
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1 Corn snake (bloodred) 0.2 1 MIA In the house I hope
1 baby creamcycle 0.1
2 Okeettes I think? 1.1 youngens
ochrocephala oratrix 0.0.1? Adult, and a killer!
ochrocephala auropalliata 0.0.1? Adult
2.0 Dogs,
0.2 Cats,,
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tom

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1) Only buy and breed what you like, if you are going to get stuck with unsold snakes for a while, you might as well like what they look like.

2) Only breed for fun and not for money, especially to start. If later you decide that you are easily able to sell more snakes then go ahead and breed more but don't start because you want to make money.

3) When selling snakes price them for how much you can, sometimes you will actually lose money if you count up all the dollars spent feeding the adults and the babies, cage supplies, show fees, water, electric, etc.. When you get frustrated trying to make your money back reread rule #2

For example, I don't work with any pattern morhs in the corn. I really like the saddle mark pattern and even though it would add $$ to my price I stay away from the pattern morhs

I think this is a really interesting question, especially for corn people, because of the golden corn. In X amount of time, when the golden corn's offspring are ready to breed, we'll get to see where prices go for a morph that not only is new, but that will be specific to the corn snake. That is, you can get almost any snake in amel or anery. There are guys breeding anery anacondas and anery garters, and there's even a guy breeding anery mud snakes, but nobody anywhere has got a golden anything, except this one guy. Corn prices tend to pale in comparison to ball prices, but I'm willing to bet the golden corn's owner has gotten some offers that'd raise eyebrows.

He is breeding the Golden corns male offspring back to the mother this year. So it is soon to see what happens with them.
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Cameron

I know this is a subjective topic, as in an other post. Thats why I said:

I think!

I was hoping to see something we can compare. Not opinions on my question.

I'm glad someone at found it interesting.

I knw if we wer all sitting around at a show and someone said, hey did you that guys goldn reverse double het for normal, and he wants $500, we all say an opinion. Thats what I was aiming at.

thank for your post
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I forgot my password for herpzilla, and gave a bad email,, major OOPS

1.3 Bearded Dragons
6 baby female Western hognose, 3.5 adults some friend some mine,,,building breeding stock)
1 Corn snake (bloodred) 0.2 1 MIA In the house I hope
1 baby creamcycle 0.1
2 Okeettes I think? 1.1 youngens
ochrocephala oratrix 0.0.1? Adult, and a killer!
ochrocephala auropalliata 0.0.1? Adult
2.0 Dogs,
0.2 Cats,,
0.1 Wives, (Long term captive!,, I mean ME!)
1.1 Kids (Paininthearsius takamemonii) J/K great kids
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tom

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To have any lasting value in the marketplace, the golden corn would need to be proven to be an inheritable genetic trait. I hope it is - because it's cool.

In addition, if it is inheritable, is it combinable with other traits? (Amel, motley, snow, stripe, etc.) It would be worth more if it can be integrated into other forms.

I reckon a question I'd ask is how much would be the most someone would be willing to pay for a corn? Whether it's something non-combinable with other morphs (leucistic) or some sort of new inheritable pigment or pattern (e.g. granite).

I'm not asking what the highest price a breeder has posted on their website, but rather what's the most you'd pay?

(And that question includes you, HerpZilla!)

Tim

Third Eye

That is a good question. Whenever I saw the striped butters on Don's site for $500 last year I started wondering.... Are hobbyists buying these or are other breeders? Because I can't imagine paying more than $150 for the newer corns out there (so around the 2nd or 3rd season they are available?) I would wait a year or 2 until they got around $100.
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1.0 Ball Python "Wilson" (Castaway)
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
0.0.1 Mexican Black Kingsnake "Onyx"

I agree, I'd rather wait and pay a more reasonable price for a snake. I admit that because of that, i will probably never be one of the people who discover an awesome new trait or gene, but I can live with that. I am in it for the fun. I do not need to be on the cutting edge of things
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2.3.0 bearded dragons
0.1.0 water dragon
1.3.0 leopard geckos
12.20.0 corn snakes
1.1.0 jungle corns
2.2.0 king snakes
1.1.0 false water cobras
1.1.0 royal (Ball) pythons
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa
1.0.0 Sinaloan milk snake
0.1.0 Tri-Hybrid milk snake
0.1.0 rat snake
0.0.2 prairie ringneck snakes
0.1.0 chilean rose hair tarantula
1.1.0 emperor scorpions
1.1.0 Congo African Grey Parrots
0.1.0 German Shepherd hybrid dog

Dear Timothee:

I pondered this thinking of the ball python market. And if someone asked, what you pay $25,000 for a newer ball morph, I think most people would have said:

MUHAHAHAHHHAHHAHAhhahhhahaa

With that in mind and thinking of the even more complex corn market I thought it was a good question. I still do. If I was at a coffee shop with 5-6 of these people it would evoke a great debate. Unfortunately this venue has certain uncontrollable effects on people.

But trying to thwart my question, you actually answered it. As I left it very wide open and non specific. Although you answered questions I did not ask.

C you pass

Thank you

Mr. T

And I snatch a pebble from your hand!

HerpZillA!
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Computers don't make errors. What they do, they do on purpose. (Dale Gribble)

AOL IM Mettzilla
I forgot my password for herpzilla, and gave a bad email,, major OOPS

1.3 Bearded Dragons
6 baby female Western hognose, 3.5 adults some friend some mine,,,building breeding stock)
1 Corn snake (bloodred) 0.2 1 MIA In the house I hope
1 baby creamcycle 0.1
2 Okeettes I think? 1.1 youngens
ochrocephala oratrix 0.0.1? Adult, and a killer!
ochrocephala auropalliata 0.0.1? Adult
2.0 Dogs,
0.2 Cats,,
0.1 Wives, (Long term captive!,, I mean ME!)
1.1 Kids (Paininthearsius takamemonii) J/K great kids
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tom

www.herpzilla.com

You wrote

I'm not asking what the highest price a breeder has posted on their website, but rather what's the most you'd pay?

That is what I asked. I did not ask about peoples sites.

So you just asked my question again?

Did you copy off people in school?

You Also wrote

(And that question includes you, HerpZilla!)

It's HerpZillA

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Computers don't make errors. What they do, they do on purpose. (Dale Gribble)

AOL IM Mettzilla
I forgot my password for herpzilla, and gave a bad email,, major OOPS

1.3 Bearded Dragons
6 baby female Western hognose, 3.5 adults some friend some mine,,,building breeding stock)
1 Corn snake (bloodred) 0.2 1 MIA In the house I hope
1 baby creamcycle 0.1
2 Okeettes I think? 1.1 youngens
ochrocephala oratrix 0.0.1? Adult, and a killer!
ochrocephala auropalliata 0.0.1? Adult
2.0 Dogs,
0.2 Cats,,
0.1 Wives, (Long term captive!,, I mean ME!)
1.1 Kids (Paininthearsius takamemonii) J/K great kids
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tom

www.herpzilla.com

Just to clarify....If I'm not mistaken leucisticism(sp?) is combinable. Aren't red eyed Leucys a mix of leucy and amel?
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1.0 Ball Python "Wilson" (Castaway)
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
0.0.1 Mexican Black Kingsnake "Onyx"

..........it all depends on where you live..who you are....what color it is.......how big it is.......and what you want to pay or sell for...and what you got in the pocket at that momment......and how hard you worked for that cash......

I have paid thousands for balls.......I have made my money back on all the projects so far ......(except spider that is too young yet).......and I wholesale cheap........

you have 2 snakes and get 15 babies a year.....live in a snake devoid area ..and have alot of new friends that want snakes.......you can get top dollar for babies.......

if you have 60 adult corns and get 400 babies a year and live in ,,oh,,,.let's say southeast Pa....you sell them fast and get what you can........yet not all at once so you run out too fast......average baby will be sold at $10 to $20 and some are good morphs worth $ up to $ 80........the buyers buy in lots....10 to 60 at a time ......

personally I don't buy "name brand" stuff.........it's all the same......the names never made me an extra buck.......

........"name brands" sold out of ultramels and got $150 with people begging for more........I sold 0 - @ $50 even and figure.....keep them all and breed them in 2 years........

it all depends on everything.........

........shipping and online advertising will help you make cash......

it will also take up alot of your time delaing with people that never come through with the deal..kill your snake and blame you for it....and all kinds of other problems.......

all up to each seller and buyer......

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anyways........................
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you think????

Youre so damn sensible about everything. I love it. hahahah

ep
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Occupants not paying rent:
1.1. balls
1.1 corns
1 everglades rat
1 w. hognose
1 bearded dragon
2.1 cats

I am a nut?...........

....really.......sell for whatever.......I do NOT want to set at a show and sell nothing......so why price stuff at maximum prices and wait to sell....and not go down at all.......might as well set prices as low as you can and sell them faster from the start?............people think that at the end of a show you can run around and make good deals.....wrong..the good stuff is all sold before you even get in the door.....trust me.......if it's hot.it's gone.......I have bought out people as soon as they walked in the door on gerbils......the rest of the day ,noone else gets any.I got them all........yes they didn't have many to start with....and same for snakes....people run around and buy at the start of shows then reprice stuff and place it on their tables.and they will not talk or drop prices..they have other plans and places to sell at.......I sold 20 snakes before show started 2 weeks ago to one guy...good thing...people did not buy (as usual) they walk around and use the show as a zoo......thousands of people.......wish they would learn to buy more or go fishing in the winter....duh....too crowded......I sold snakes from $5 and up..I sell opals for corn prices....start at $20 to $80 depending who you are ,how many ,and when you get them ..........feeding a snake costs at least $50 a year......so ....you have a baby amel..$10.........it's now a year old.......can you get $70? NO.......you get $20 to $40.......you lose $30 in time and mice......adults sell for far less than they should around here.....adult pair het charcoal bloodreds.I left them go at $120 a pair........just becase I wanted to get rid of them and because they bought 3 pair of adults......cremes,butters het motley and bloodred het charcoals all for like $120 to $150 pair /trio..........I do not have to feed them or worry about them anymore.........some ate mice some like odd stuff at most times of the year...hamsters and deer mice...snakes are a pain if you let them dictate their diet...and I spoil mine bigtime.........anyways.........

.......like the 6 foot plus name brand jungle carpets at 10 years of age and sold for $130..........and never made a single egg / dollar$ from them..........gone and good riddance.........
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you think????

Sigh, I waited all day for this, and non played.

bummed

tom
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Computers don't make errors. What they do, they do on purpose. (Dale Gribble)

AOL IM Mettzilla
I forgot my password for herpzilla, and gave a bad email,, major OOPS

1.3 Bearded Dragons
6 baby female Western hognose, 3.5 adults some friend some mine,,,building breeding stock)
1 Corn snake (bloodred) 0.2 1 MIA In the house I hope
1 baby creamcycle 0.1
2 Okeettes I think? 1.1 youngens
ochrocephala oratrix 0.0.1? Adult, and a killer!
ochrocephala auropalliata 0.0.1? Adult
2.0 Dogs,
0.2 Cats,,
0.1 Wives, (Long term captive!,, I mean ME!)
1.1 Kids (Paininthearsius takamemonii) J/K great kids
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tom

www.herpzilla.com

Here, I will answer you straight out. I paid $200 for an adult bloodred, plus $50 shipping. That is my max for any ONE snake, and unless I come into quite a bit of money, I do not plan to do it again any time soon. That was the one thing I bought with my tax money (well besides the new tattoos, but that is another story)! The rest of the money went to bills and to tell you the truth, did not even make a dent in them. Divorces suck! And mine was 4 years ago! ah well. Look to the future, not back at the past.
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**********Misty**********
I haven't lost my mind.... it's backed up on disk somewhere.

2.3.0 bearded dragons
0.1.0 water dragon
1.3.0 leopard geckos
12.20.0 corn snakes
1.1.0 jungle corns
2.2.0 king snakes
1.1.0 false water cobras
1.1.0 royal (Ball) pythons
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa
1.0.0 Sinaloan milk snake
0.1.0 Tri-Hybrid milk snake
0.1.0 rat snake
0.0.2 prairie ringneck snakes
0.1.0 chilean rose hair tarantula
1.1.0 emperor scorpions
1.1.0 Congo African Grey Parrots
0.1.0 German Shepherd hybrid dog

Sorry to hear of the other stuff, and $200 is about right to me, but I saw some sweet hypo striped bloodred pics. WOWZA. I might go $210 lol

tom

p.s. just catching up on post in in the city at work.
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Computers don't make errors. What they do, they do on purpose. (Dale Gribble)

AOL IM Mettzilla
I forgot my password for herpzilla, and gave a bad email,, major OOPS

1.3 Bearded Dragons
6 baby female Western hognose, 3.5 adults some friend some mine,,,building breeding stock)
1 Corn snake (bloodred) 0.2 1 MIA In the house I hope
1 baby creamcycle 0.1
2 Okeettes I think? 1.1 youngens
ochrocephala oratrix 0.0.1? Adult, and a killer!
ochrocephala auropalliata 0.0.1? Adult
2.0 Dogs,
0.2 Cats,,
0.1 Wives, (Long term captive!,, I mean ME!)
1.1 Kids (Paininthearsius takamemonii) J/K great kids
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tom

www.herpzilla.com

I want to preface this by saying I do appreciate morphs, and I do see what is good about them. I think they are pretty and interesting, and I like looking at them. I even like hybrids, which is apparently a cardinal sin in this hobby.

That being said, I probably wouldn't pay anything for a morph. For various uninteresting reasons, I have to keep my collection very small. Actually, it's hard to call three snakes a collection - and in a technical sense only one of them is mine. But since I have to make very careful purchases, I wouldn't buy a snake I already have in another color. I'd rather get a different species or genus. The only morphs I might possibly shell out for would be an anery or ghost corn, or an axanthic L. g. floridana.

In a perfect world, though, I still probably wouldn't have many morphs. If I had the freedom to work on a real collection, I would get: a single (normal colored) specimen of each species and subspecies in the genus pantherophis, and a single (normal colored) specimen of each subspecies of the getula complex of the genus Lampropeltis. Only after that would I seriously consider shelling out for a morph.

See this is what I was looking for. you wrote:
The only morphs I might possibly shell out for would be an anery or ghost corn, or an axanthic L. g. floridana

I have no interest in an anery corn unless my goal was to get to another morph. But I don't. But I see people drool over anerys. We have some anery sand boas. MY GOD, they took a beautiful snake and took it back to 1959 and made it black and white!..

Just my opinion lol

thanks for the reply

tom

>>I want to preface this by saying I do appreciate morphs, and I do see what is good about them. I think they are pretty and interesting, and I like looking at them. I even like hybrids, which is apparently a cardinal sin in this hobby.
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>>That being said, I probably wouldn't pay anything for a morph. For various uninteresting reasons, I have to keep my collection very small. Actually, it's hard to call three snakes a collection - and in a technical sense only one of them is mine. But since I have to make very careful purchases, I wouldn't buy a snake I already have in another color. I'd rather get a different species or genus. The only morphs I might possibly shell out for would be an anery or ghost corn, or an axanthic L. g. floridana.
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>>In a perfect world, though, I still probably wouldn't have many morphs. If I had the freedom to work on a real collection, I would get: a single (normal colored) specimen of each species and subspecies in the genus pantherophis, and a single (normal colored) specimen of each subspecies of the getula complex of the genus Lampropeltis. Only after that would I seriously consider shelling out for a morph.
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Computers don't make errors. What they do, they do on purpose. (Dale Gribble)

AOL IM Mettzilla
I forgot my password for herpzilla, and gave a bad email,, major OOPS

1.3 Bearded Dragons
6 baby female Western hognose, 3.5 adults some friend some mine,,,building breeding stock)
1 Corn snake (bloodred) 0.2 1 MIA In the house I hope
1 baby creamcycle 0.1
2 Okeettes I think? 1.1 youngens
ochrocephala oratrix 0.0.1? Adult, and a killer!
ochrocephala auropalliata 0.0.1? Adult
2.0 Dogs,
0.2 Cats,,
0.1 Wives, (Long term captive!,, I mean ME!)
1.1 Kids (Paininthearsius takamemonii) J/K great kids
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tom

www.herpzilla.com

If I had lots of money, I'd shell out for a lavender bloodred and maybe a lavender motley. Since I don't have that kind of cash, I'm collecting the "ingredients morphs" and will eventually breed my own.

I did go out of my way to add some of the old-style bloodreds to my collection, but after all, I discovered that someone was breeding them without knowing what he had, and I couldn't just let everyone else get them!

Leslie

Sorry so late to reply, but working and other stuff.

Ok this was a good post for my question Why you may ask?
I will tell you! MUhahahahahahahahahaha

OK, you like a lavender bloodred,, me too. You decide to breed your own. Great project, but by the time you get it 284 new morphs come out (that number is EXACT lol) So although you liked the lavender bloodred when it was new, now you had time for it to become old, and see new prizes on the market. This is one of the things I wanted to address. I said I collected baseball cards. I saw a guy try to collect a PSA 8 set of 1955 topps, after 5 years and or about $50k he could not get 8 cards. Not due to money, they just were not there. So he sold off the set to work on a PSA 9 1964 set. Why? the chase can be more fun than the actually obtaining of the item. This is what drives the morph market, or part of it.

I think there is something similar here. I usually call it the reptile rotation, and it can happen for various reasons. But due to all the cool corn morphs I think this chase applies here more than other herps. Plus many corn people stay in corns, and just want something new, hotter, cooler, brighter, weirder, or what ever floats your boat.

You ask what my main point it? Heck if I know, except I think the wanting or chase can be more fun than actually having it at times?

>>If I had lots of money, I'd shell out for a lavender bloodred and maybe a lavender motley. Since I don't have that kind of cash, I'm collecting the "ingredients morphs" and will eventually breed my own.
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>>I did go out of my way to add some of the old-style bloodreds to my collection, but after all, I discovered that someone was breeding them without knowing what he had, and I couldn't just let everyone else get them!
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>>Leslie
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Computers don't make errors. What they do, they do on purpose. (Dale Gribble)

AOL IM Mettzilla
I forgot my password for herpzilla, and gave a bad email,, major OOPS

1.3 Bearded Dragons
6 baby female Western hognose, 3.5 adults some friend some mine,,,building breeding stock)
1 Corn snake (bloodred) 0.2 1 MIA In the house I hope
1 baby creamcycle 0.1
2 Okeettes I think? 1.1 youngens
ochrocephala oratrix 0.0.1? Adult, and a killer!
ochrocephala auropalliata 0.0.1? Adult
2.0 Dogs,
0.2 Cats,,
0.1 Wives, (Long term captive!,, I mean ME!)
1.1 Kids (Paininthearsius takamemonii) J/K great kids
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tom

www.herpzilla.com

Yeah, there will always be something new, but that does not necessarily mean I'd want one.

But if I take my old-style bloodred and breed to several different lavender 'shades' I can play genetics for all I'm worth. And maybe I'll add some other morph to the mix, just to see what comes out.

For me, it is not so much the chase, as it is getting what I want; what I think is pretty. And, of course, there is always the "What if..." factor.

Leslie

"For me, it is not so much the chase, as it is getting what I want; what I think is pretty."

But since that changes with new morphs, you MAY, see something prettier? MAYBE?

I just know what I see, I did retail from 73-81ish? back into again helping a friend. I see people WANT something, then a year later trade it in for something new. I'm actually jealous of people that can feel content with the same stuff. My first love were Jackson Chameleons. I just could not keep the babies alive. So I stopped. They always seem to be born in the summer, then running an air conditioner, and 3 humidifiers was just crazy.

BUT, I may try again lol.

tom

>>Yeah, there will always be something new, but that does not necessarily mean I'd want one.
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>>But if I take my old-style bloodred and breed to several different lavender 'shades' I can play genetics for all I'm worth. And maybe I'll add some other morph to the mix, just to see what comes out.
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>>For me, it is not so much the chase, as it is getting what I want; what I think is pretty. And, of course, there is always the "What if..." factor.
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>>Leslie
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1.3 Bearded Dragons
6 baby female Western hognose, 3.5 adults some friend some mine,,,building breeding stock)
1 Corn snake (bloodred) 0.2 1 MIA In the house I hope
1 baby creamcycle 0.1
2 Okeettes I think? 1.1 youngens
ochrocephala oratrix 0.0.1? Adult, and a killer!
ochrocephala auropalliata 0.0.1? Adult
2.0 Dogs,
0.2 Cats,,
0.1 Wives, (Long term captive!,, I mean ME!)
1.1 Kids (Paininthearsius takamemonii) J/K great kids
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tom

www.herpzilla.com

I may see something I want, and I may get it, but that does not mean that I'll get rid of what I've got. I was into lizards before I discovered corn snakes. Still have my lizards, and the six horses I had before I discovered lizards.

More is better. I learn something new about one or another species of critter every day.

Leslie