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Well I agree with copperhead, it was worth the wait on the permit (4wks, good for 6 months)and Robert Bruce really out did himself I am happy to say. He sent us 2.2 very large 2005 hatchlings that are very red and "smart". I have to weigh and measure Saturday. They rate right up there with the group of L.t.micropholis I got from Popeyan,Colombia that are rare and hard to come by. I havn't had micropholis since the early 70's!

Glad this forum is here to get tips and tricks on the keeping this fine group of snakes.

Cheers
Bill Lamoreaux

Can I see pics of L.t.micropholis? Are you working to breed them?
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"Life without risk is to merely exist."

We have 1.1 available and I am keeping 1.2 of the 2005 hatchlings Nathan Wells produced of the "Lamar Strain". He will produce some more for 2006 and 50% of the hatch I will have available most likely. Of course I never count the eggs until they are hatched and feeding! I hope to have mine grown up and going sometime in the near future but I am not going to force grow them just to get more hatchlings out there.

Email me at the wlamore@msn.com if your interested and want the details. I try and send you some pics.

Bill

middle shot is of adult Nathan is breeding and took the pictures of. Others I have here.

Very awsome snake and awsome shot by the way.
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"Life without risk is to merely exist."

What females are your hatchlings from (K1, E4, etc)?

the ones we got our marked K1M the biggest male, F1F female, E4M male, K2F female. Regis Opferman is my partner and he wrote all the lineage down and we marked the pictures. I have forgot what he said the K=?, F=Fuller, E=?, The first letter he said stands for the adults orginal breeder I believe. You probably are clearer on it than I am.

Glad you got yours.

bill

Beautiful hatchlings, but what a fickle forum this is. Folks were recently down on Robert and now folks are thrilled with snakes he sent them. Bill and Regis, best to you both as the Rocky Mountain indigo population starts to take off.

The lesson is not to base asumptions on second hand information. I am not for or against Robert I am all about fair play and bashing someone based on second hand information is out of bounds in my book. I took the time to meet him and found him to be credable and extremely inteligent when it comes to herps. His thinking goes deeper than most if not all herpers I have come across and I would not hesetate to do business with him.
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"Life without risk is to merely exist."

I don't understand why he gets so much junk from everyone, he was nice to deal with.

From what I experienced and then read about posted in one of last weeks threads was not a question of Roberts quality of animals,knowledge, nice personality etc. It just seemed to suggest that at times, people who have sent him "cash", get a little "nervous" when he becomes incommunicado or takes many days to send them the breeders statement. It can give them the wrong impression of the situation and may lead them to react with a knee jerk reaction to the fear of a financial loss. Someone new that decides they would like to purchase an indigo snake, may have no idea who they are dealing with in the herp community.

I was in Real Estate Sales years ago and I did learn one thing, to be a great salesperson, one must give great customer support. Whenever I sell anything, I attempt to be as accommodating to the customers needs as possible and work with them to get what they want in the least stressful way possible.

After completing a deal that I am very happy with,I understand the process of obtaining an indigo a little better! I for one would not hesitate to do business with Robert in the future, he is very observant as stated in working with the species he has chosen to specialize in reproducing.

wlamore

impatience, when it comes to working with Drymarchon spp..
If someone has an issue with waiting for a breeders statement or specimens, I do not believe they will harbor the patience necessary to wait for permits, wait for youngsters to reach appropriate size and age for breeding, wait for the reproductive cycle to complete, wait for the females to begin oviposition, wait for eggs to incubate and wait for hatchlings to begin accepting food on their.
Point being, impatient people should give serious consideration to working with Drys, as there is much "waiting" involved with the successful keeping of the genus, especially D. couperi.
Just my humble opinion of course...

Best regards,

Jeff

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Jeff Snodgres
University of Arkansas
snodgresjeffreys@uams.edu
501.603.1947

Jeff,

You are right on with that, great shot of your indigos all together, is that a black chin and 2 reds?

Bill

Three red-chins in that photo. The dark one is just about to shed, as can be seen by the eyes...

Jeff
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Jeff Snodgres
University of Arkansas
snodgresjeffreys@uams.edu
501.603.1947

I had a test of patience with my recent and first Dry clutch.....I have a feeling it will all be worth it.

They are definitely worth the test of time and patience.
Your first clutch might be your most memorable, but the feeling you will get, every time you discover eggs in a nest box and witness the first hatchling of the year emerge from the egg, will always be as exciting and joyous...

Good luck,

Jeff
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Jeff Snodgres
University of Arkansas
snodgresjeffreys@uams.edu
501.603.1947