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Just cherry picked a pair out of a group of 8. Nice weight and female seems gravid as well. Nice find..
Robert

She is fat...

they are very pretty.
i think there is something special about these guys, i just can't remember what it is. are they a new find or a new subspecie or something
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vonnie
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But it seems they are very limited in numbers here in the states. Very rare to find any. I just got lucky..And with any luck her eggs proove good too..
Thanks

A group of these came into the U.S. in the fall of 2004 and they have not reappeared until just recently. I own a group of six adults and successfully hatched out a clutch of eight last June. I currently have another 8 eggs that are about five weeks into incubation.

There is speculation that these are either alfredschmidti, an integrade, or a melanistic form of flavifasciata. I tend to feel they are more likely flavifasciata.

The temperament is great on the adults and they are fairly hardy as imports (although I personally always suggest avoiding any type of gravid import).
The hatchlings on the other hand are mean little $hits and exceptionally tough. I posted some photos of last years clutch several weeks ago when someone asked about them.

Thanks for the info, if there a melenistic form, isnt it strange that they would come in groups like this? I seen the whole group (10 total)that came in and none look like flavofasciata in the group? Also females are so different then flavofasciata females I have ever seen or had in the past. I would love to see pics of your group..I did see pics of the hatchlings,very nice!
Robert

"none look like flavofasciata

I own both flavifasciata and geyri and visually, I would have to side with these animal being closer in body and tail type to flavifasciata than the geyri which alfredschmidti is often compared to.

if there a melenistic form, isnt it strange that they would come in groups like this? I seen the whole group (10 total)that came in and none look like flavofasciata in the group?

I think more than ten came in but I could be wrong. Why do you feel that a melanistic form could not result in a group? From what I understand, melanism is not necessarily a recessive trait in every species and if dominant, could result in a rather high concentration of black flavifasciata over time in a specific location. I would be curious to know if any of your animals demonstrate light banding when at or near their POTZ like some of those from the original group do.

I purchased these animals in 2004 hoping they were alfredschmidti. I was placing a lot of emphasis on the tail being slightly longer and a little more tapered than flavifasciata. After working for some time on trying to identify this animal, I came to the personal conclusion that this is more likely flavifasciata or an integrade (not necessarily an alfredschmidti integrade). I have been working on putting together my data and photos to detail the basis for my conclusions and would be happy to send you a copy or provide a link once I am finished with this.

If you want to chat about this prior to my finishing this paper, send me an email and I will provide you with a link to my uromastyx chat site so we can discuss what you are seeing with your blacks or answer your questions on why I feel these animals are more likely flavifasciata.

I would be very interested in talking more, you have my email address already. I emailed you about your hatchlings.
rholveck@tampabay.rr.com
I have also been chating with Doug about this group as well. I see no bands at all, even basking at 160 deg surface temp(pic), they just get blacker. Both are shedding right now, waiting to see how they look clean. For fresh imports they are feeding heavily and adapting quicker then expected.Especialy the female.
Looking forword to the chat.
Robert

Congratulations, you seemed to have picked some beauties! I really like the look, the black is very attractive!

Wish you the best with your new group
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