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This is one of the babies from the striped arabesque albino litter.. She just shed a couple days ago, and I am puzzled as to what this one is...LOL... the stripe line really throws the arabesque pattern off. Shes' got some connecting stuff, some stripe stuff, a funky arabesqueish laddertail... Take a look and tell me what you think she is?

I'll post pics of my "lightning bolt besque" in a few days. The stripe line definitly whipes out the speckling from the arabesque trait..
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Ed Lilley, www.constrictorsnw.com

Looks like a normal to me.

I would also see that as being a normal. Should grow up to be a nice looking snake. Normally the pale gray babies grow up and explode with color around 9 months or so.

Good luck
Bob

See one of the things thats different here is there is 2 pattern morphs mixed. One changes the other. The first female may just be a striper, (You can't see striping there?) Anyway the stripe and arabesque combo is obviously making things different. The belly is pure white, the sides are wiped clean making it difficult for the arabesque connection to show..

This girl just shed 5 minutes ago I'm positive she is both..




I am keeping all of these BTW..
There were striped albino besques too but they didn't make it..
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Ed Lilley, www.constrictorsnw.com

But the albinos didn't make it they were all premies..

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Ed Lilley, www.constrictorsnw.com

Notice how as soon as the arabesque pattern hits the blocky saddle from the stripe line the connections don't fully connect again.
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Ed Lilley, www.constrictorsnw.com

She looks like a nice stripe. Are you saying its an arabesque as well?

You bet.. stripe arabesque poss het albino.. look at the head marking, everywhere the stripe breaks is a hoop and thin saddles, with the water marks on the back. Double pattern morph..

And her daddy when he was a baby

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Ed Lilley, www.constrictorsnw.com

It doesnt look like an arabesque to me, but that is just my opinion.

I believe this is the only time this breeding has been done.. She does look different. I expected the speckles to be present, but hey you never know what one morph will do to another untill you do it.. I'd geuss if you bred stripe into any pattern morph the stripe is going to be more pronounced than whatever the other pattern may be, because it kinda pushes all of the saddles into the stripe..

I'm going to shoot for another of these litters next season to see exactly what kind of variation I can get with this mix of morphs.
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Ed Lilley, www.constrictorsnw.com

Im a pessimist. I think it would be hard to sell that one as an arabesque to anyone, but that would be a good thing, more babies to hold back and prove.

Neat looking snake, but arabesque?

Bob McPhee

To convince...LOL... These are all holdbacks, regardless. Give her a little time she's only one month old..
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Ed Lilley, www.constrictorsnw.com

Here is one of the albino striped besques.. Can you see the triple trait?..

The arabesque pattern breaks up as soon as it hits the blocky pattern from the stripe.

This is my last attempt to convince you guys...LOL...
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Ed Lilley, www.constrictorsnw.com

any stripe at all....im not sure what your using as a qualifying stripe, but i really dont see any stripe on that animal.

You might need some glasses.. How about the obvious one on the tail...LOL... Not to mention all the elongated saddles all down the back.. This is showing you just being difficult Mark..
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Ed Lilley, www.constrictorsnw.com

im not trying to be difficult. you asked for opinions and i gave mine. the tail pattern is not a stripe in my opinion, the pics make it difficult to tell, but I have seen alot of normals with connected saddles towards tip of the tail, and when you mix in the arabesque morph you get funny tail saddles any way so saying that animal is showing all three traits is a stretch in my honest opinion.

The stripe is before the cloaca, not after. The male that produced these guys is arabesque het albino and stripe and the female is DH stripe albino. If the albino in the pic were just an arabesque albino it would have thin saddles like an arabesque, not big blocky saddles with a striped tail. The genetics are there, with the blocky saddles, striped tail and what the boa looks like after the first blocky saddle you'd doubt it was a genetic stripe?
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Ed Lilley, www.constrictorsnw.com

There is no stripe before or after anything on the albino in the picture you posted. Im not sure what you think "blocky" saddles mean, but i really dont see any stripe on any of the snakes you posted.

Were the parents gauranteed het or possible hets?

I'm not drawing a diagram for somthing so obvious.. 1 female is half striped looks like a lightnig bolt down her back...LOL...

Female is 100% DH from J Stone and male (now proven 100%) from P Kahl.
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Ed Lilley, www.constrictorsnw.com

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than that. I really don't consider the stripe gene simple recessive anyway. If it is why don't all "striped" animals have a full or almost full stripe, either they are not really striped and just hets or the genetics are not simple recessive. In the case of a simple recessive gene you would expect reasonably uniform results, the stripe gene is anything but that. At best I would call the stripe gene poly-genetic incomplete dominant (I am sure this is not the proper technical term). Don't take this the wrong way I am not trying to reinvent the wheel but what genetic testing has anyone done to prove the stripe gene is recessive??? By its expression it is clearly not in my opinion. On that note I would at best call that albino a "het" or low expression stripe animal regardless of the other genes involved. The first pic you posted I would consider at best a "het" or low expression striped animal. Although this should not require a disclaimer I will say please don't take offense to this as it is only my opinion. I would be very interested to see the results of breeding trials involving these animals.

I agree that the stripes are not so clear cut as to how their genetis work. I think some of the "het" stripes may be actual homozygous stripers. Or just a little peice of stripe could be the trait, nothing says it has to be striped head to tail to be a stripe. I hate to bring up jungles...LOL.. but a jungle doesn't have to be wildly aberrant to be a jungle.

I didn't say every one was a huge stripe, but I see less being sold as striped all the time. But Mark telling me he can't see a stripe on any of them is nuts..LOL...

This is one of the boas posted, I can see the stripe seems pretty clear cut to me. I'm betting she's an arab too, but if folks don't see it no big deal.. She is 1 month old just had her first shed yesterday and was pemature, I'll give her another month and I'm sure she will have more arabesque traits showing than most hypo besques do.

here is another littermate Striped albino upper right

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Ed Lilley, www.constrictorsnw.com

the one to the upper right in the second pic in your last post is definately striped, the other albino is not. and the one with the lightning bot definately does not look like an arabesque, however it has a very interesting pattern.

one you posted pics of. I would call that one a striped boa or high expression stripeline. Again this is just my opinion