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My "friend" is trying to sell me this ball as a YELLOWBELLY. Please set him straight b/c he will be viewing this thread.

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billy jean king
BugBusters

I've seen more yellow on a Mexican Black Kingsnake.!

They don't have to have a yellow belly to be yellow bellies. They just gotta have that look. You just know when you see one. I have a few of them and they all look different, I have yet to proven any of mine yet, but it should happen this season. If I get really lucky I may get a Ivory. Hope that helps. David

heres a good example

The snake pictured could be a yellow belly, However it is not a great looking one. But let me ask you a few questions about this snake. What color is his tongue? Compare his tongue to a quote NORMAL ball, If they are different then that snake could be a yellow belly. Like I said it kinda has the yellow belly look, but I personally use the tongue as a marker. If you can get a tongue photo and a better belly shot. Thanks DAVID

Like I said IF it is one its not a good one but a yellow belly is still a yellow belly. The only way to know for sure is to breed it or buy a proven line YB.

should i buy it then? the price is a steal.
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billy jean king
BugBusters

I wouldn't pay more for the pictured snake than I would for a nice normal. I'll defer to the previous posters experience, but that does not look like a yellowbelly to me. Doesn't seem to have the belly markings of a YB or the "flames". Yes, it does have some nice blushing up the sides, but the coloration (if your picture is acurate color wise) is not right. YB flames have a yellow orange bleed through to them. I have several normal with even more extreme (much more) than that one.

Again, if hes saying it's a steal at like 500 bucks, leave it alone. Just my thoughts...you asked...no offense.

heres the another pic he sent me. So please tell me what you thing some say YES some say NO. Thanks

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billy jean king
BugBusters

The pattern is no different than that of my 2 normals.

NOT a yellowbelly.

She looks very much like my normal.
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It's not how many snakes you have. It's how happy and healthy you can keep them.

It doesn't look like one to me.
Here's a pic of a proven line of YB hope this helps.

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Adrian
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There is a chance it could be one still. It would need to be bred to be sure. I have seen some from proven lines that looked very almost like they were not Yellow Bellies. So I say if the price is cheap it would be worth the chance.
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It COULD e a Yellow belly, Just because it is not the NICEST Yellow belly your have seen doesn't mean it in NOT one, Now the flip side to it is That it MAY NOT be one, But if you get it CHEAP then by all means GET IT, Alot of the other posters say DON'T buy IT, By a PROVEN LINE ONE... WELL GUESS WHAT a proven line one is gonna cost you a PRETTY PENNY, where this one is cheap. I am not saying go out and buy anything that looks yellow belly, You have to know what TO LOOK FOR. I usually buy everything that LOOKs CLOSE to a yellow belly if it is FEMALE. My first yellow belly cost me 35.00 at a reptile show, someone told me it was a pastel sibling.... well guess what...It was a yellow belly at least and I believe it to be a FIRE. It was supposed to be a male but turned out to be a female, I will be breeding her to my male yellow belly next year to find out if she is a yelow belly or a fire. It will be pretty easy to find out... I will either get Ivory's or a mixture of Fires and yellow bellies.

Here is that snake....Yellow belly or FIRE?

Here is the photo, I clicked the wrong button....I hate when I do that. Thansk david

Either way, it's a very pretty snake.

Bill
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It's not how many snakes you have. It's how happy and healthy you can keep them.

Look, it COULD be a yellow belly...and my next child COULD be albino...and my Sugar Gliders COULD be het for lucy, it COULD happen. The sun COULD burn out tomorrow. All of these things could be true, but I wouldn't put any money on it, and as far as I am concerned you shouldn't pay any extra for that snake. If you think it is worth alot of money then buy it, nobody can tell from the pictures. You need to know what the parents were, or you need to breed that snake and see if it produces any YB offspring, or you need to breed it to another YB. Long story long...it's not proven and if you pay extra for it you are taking a huge risk. Somebody already stated that if you mean a $100 steal then do it, anymore than that I wouldn't do it. -Joe Decareau
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The tongue color to know forsure if it has a good chance of being a yellow belly. I have seen a butt load of yellow bellies and some look OUTSTANDING and some just look OK, but they still are ALL yellow bellies. Ask the guy the color of the tongue!! Thanks david

I don't get the tongue thing - my YBs tongue looks like all the rest of my others (yes from proven SK line).

Well except for the polka spots

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Tosha

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Other Normal ball python's tongues and tell me they are the SAME. If the picture of the tongue is your yellow belly then I know forsure that yours is a yellow belly and yes you will produce Ivorys, but I know you just told me that... But if you didn't I would have known.... Bright pink tongue verses a blackish/grayish pink....just look you will notice it. every proven yellow belly that I have seen has that bright Pinkish white tongue Everyone of them...Ok now I guess the secret is out. Thanks and good tongue shot, I can never get mine to take good tongue shots. See ya

Here is a adult male yellow belly I got for 40.00. He is ulgy but still a yellow belly. Or at least I am gonna bet my money on it. too bad its a male.

Here's a picture of my normal's tongue. I can see that it's a little darker, but I'm not sure that I could distinguish snakes this way.

Bill

PS. This is starting to remind me vaguely of a scene from one of those stupid teen sex movies. I think it was Porky's, but I don't think I saw the whole movie to be sure.

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It's not how many snakes you have. It's how happy and healthy you can keep them.

That is an awsome pic bill!!!!
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If you can tell a YellowBelly from a normal then why your post of 'Just a Very Cool Shot of A Possible YellowBelly' from March 10th?

"Well I thought it was a cool picture so I am posting it for the forum. The daddy of the clutch was either a yellow belly or a pastel that is the reason it is a Poss. Yellow belly. Hope you like it. Thanks David"

WHY is it a possible YellowBelly? Because the particular line hasn't yet been shown to produce Ivories or because it doesn't show the YB traits? If you can spot a YB based on photos then why not in your own collection?

Just a curiosity.

BB

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"Have you hugged your drummer today?" --- Me

I am not trying to be mean but you didn't read my post correct.Here is my POST.

Yellow belly.....Well I thought it was a cool picture so I am posting it for the forum. The daddy of the clutch was either a yellow belly or a pastel that is the reason it is a Poss. Yellow belly. Hope you like it. Thanks David

What I posted was a picture of a yellow belly breeding. A pastel aslo bred that female. Then I posted a photo of the EGG. Since the EGGs Have NOT HATCHED, I don't know what they could be. They are either pastels or yellow bellies, That is why I said POSS. YELLOW BELLIES, and they are also POSS. PASTELS. They have NOT hatched so I could know forsure what they are....Thanks David

"Yellow belly.....Well I thought it was a cool picture so I am posting it for the forum. The daddy of the clutch was either a yellow belly or a pastel that is the reason it is a Poss. Yellow belly. Hope you like it. Thanks David"

So you mean the 'daddy of the clutch IS either...'.

'Was' gives the impression that the father of the clutch is no longer alive.

'it is a Poss. Yellow belly.'
So by 'it' you mean the EGG. I get what you're implying now. Thanks for clarifying.

By 'it' I thought you were referring to the breeding male in the photo.

Next time be more specific, David.

BB

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"Have you hugged your drummer today?" --- Me

Whatever dude, I posted a kool picture and explained what COULD be in the EGG, If you misread what I said that is not my fault. How could I be more specific than to post a picture of the make yellow belly breeding the female that laid the eggs. But anyway you got the point. The eggs are only POSS Yellow bellies or pastels because I do not know who the father is, Once they hatch I will know. Around 30 days and counting.

looks like a ball......if female.abour 450 to 600 grams.......I got some of them for $25 each last summer........LTC from Virginia and eating great and alot more odd color then that.....

anyways......

I see 0 pattern for YB
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I just wanted to see the responces. Its was breed by Rick Steveson from WI. From his proven male to normal and yes he did produce ivories in 05' Not a Great example but it is a yellowbelly
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billy jean king
BugBusters

to know what color the tongue was to be 100% sure. Thanks David

You don't know if it is a yellow belly either.

YB x normal = 50% YB

I bet it IS just a normal that has you thinking it was a poor example of YB. I would be suprised if it proves out, but feel free to waste your females trying ...lol
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when life hands you lemons, make super lemons, bumblebees, etc...

That was great I loved it lol, shows we all have alot to learn still!

It is just not as pretty as most I have seen. that is why I asked for the tongue color. If the tongue color is right then no matter what anyone on here says it is a yellow belly, but that is Only IF the TONGUE COLOR is correct. Thanks David

Do you have a top shot? He looks like hes in blue?
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Tosha

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Tosha

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0.0.0 frogs rescued from pool skimmer
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